Help ,,, Patrick and Jane Ryan information please

Hi Pat,   They were from Tipperary Town, County Tipperary.
Where you see (Tipp) it means Tipperary town. It says Janet not Jane but see below.

RYAN Janet 1853 42 (Tipp) Robert/Ellen SMITH both dead. Wife of Patrick , with 6 children . Cousin in Sydney ship = John Fielden

RYAN Patrick 1853 43 (Tipp) Timothy/Mary both dead None . R.C. ship = John Fielden

do you know who this is?

RYAN Jane 1853 20 (Tipp) James/Catherine living in Tipp None . R.C. ship = John Fielden

Kilsane
Kilshane Townland, Co. Tipperary (townlands.ie)

Margot

Hello Margot

Thanks so much for your reply, and the info you provided.   Interestingly, we actually visited Tipp Town in 2012 when we had a home exchange for a month in Cobh.  I didn't have any information of my ancestors at the time, other than a distant link to Clomel, so was not able to research our family history.

Does the information you provided mean::

1. that Patrick and Jane (Janet) were both born in Tipp Town?  
2.  they were living in Kilshane at the time their son, Robert, was born?  
3. were their ages correct as listed on the immigration passenger list (e.g. Patrick 43, Jane 42, and the children also).  These ages do not tally with other documents, e.g. Jane's death certificate states she was 90 years at death in 1877.   This indicates she would have been born 1787, and be 66 at immigration in 1853.  It is difficult to validate, but her age at death may not be correct either.
4. Cousin in Sydney  ..  does this mean that Jane had a cousin who had already immigrated to Australia, and was living in Sydney at the time.

I do not know who the other ‘Jane Ryan’ is (who also travelled on the John Fielden)  

 

regards

Pat

 

 

Hi Pat.
Answers........
that Patrick and Jane (Janet) were both born in Tipp Town?  
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Yes looks like that is where they were from and possibly born.

 they were living in Kilshane at the time their son, Robert, was born?
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Yes Kilshane is a townland name outside TipperaryTown.

were their ages correct as listed on the immigration passenger list (e.g. Patrick 43, Jane 42, and the children also).  These ages do not tally with other documents, e.g. Jane's death certificate states she was 90 years at death in 1877.   This indicates she would have been born 1787, and be 66 at immigration in 1853.  It is difficult to validate, but her age at death may not be correct either.
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I wouls say yes they were correct on the ship record but this is the problem everyone has sorting the correct ages. 

Cousin in Sydney  ..  does this mean that Jane had a cousin who had already immigrated to Australia, and was living in Sydney at the time.
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Yes, but without their name we cannot trace them.
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What I did see was this in the Tithe records 1823.....no year is showing so then it's approx 1823. Timothy Ryan in Lower Kilshane.   6th name down.
004625687/004625687_00044.pdf (nationalarchives.ie)

In 1853 when the Ryan family left for Australia both sets of parents had died. Civil death records where introduced in 1864.
Are you a member of any sites like Ancestry, Find my Past?   you could try with Ryan and Kilsahne and see if you get any tree results.

Margot

 

Hi Pat and Margot

Sorry I’m adding to your comments a couple of years after the original post, but hope my info may help in some way.  
 

It’s also nice to find other descendants from the early immigrants who arrived with the John Fielden.
 

There were 39 People with the surname of Ryan on the John Fielden in 1853. And of those 39, four were named Jane:

Jane (15) - daughter of Timothy and Johanna, one of the couple’s eight children who travelled with them

Jane (42) - wife of Patrick and mother of six

Jane (20) - eldest daughter of William and Ellen (nee Lawless), one of the couple’s six children who travelled with them

Jane (20) - travelling as a single woman, listed with an occupation of “domestic”

William and Ellen are my 4x great-grandparents.  For years I have been told they were from Kilshane.  But I now believe some of my relatives may have been mixed up with your family Pat.  This may be “muddying the waters” for researchers - particularly with how common the Ryan surname is in Ireland.
 

I have now found baptisms for a number of the Ryan/Lawless children, and these were from St Michael’s Roman Catholic Church in Tipperary, in the Diocese of Cashel and Emly.  I assume the church was in Tipperary town, as there is a large church of the same name in the town.  The current church was built in 1859, but I believe the parish existed well before then.

While 39 people with the same surname can lead to a little confusion, I was extremely pleased to learn than one of William and Ellen’s grandchildren was incorrect when he stated to family that “half of the passengers” on the John Fielden were Ryan’s, as I don’t think I would have enjoyed trying to distinguish almost 200 people with the same surname.

Joanne

Brisbane, Australia

 

 

Hi Jo.   It is very exciting to receive a message on this site  ...  especially one whose family has had a similar journey.    Thank you.

I note you are from Brisbane.   I am on the Sunshine Coast   😃

Where did your family settle?  They were very courageous travelling across the world with six children, especially a six year old.  I think of the emotions they must have had leaving their country, friends and family, and going on a dangerous journey to the other side of the world. 

Our family the same  🙏    I have been very fortunate in my family search.  They settled in Purga a few miles outside Ipswich, and most stayed close by.  I only have two of the youngest girls from their family that I haven't been able to find details for.   I'm still on the trail .. also for descendants.  Have found a couple via DNA which has been wonderful.

To be honest I'm not seeking my Irish family, given the challenges of finding the correct 'Ryan' lineage. I joined this website with the possible chance of someone in Ireland contacting me.   I know where my family are from, and have certificates for all from their arrival in Moreton Bay so I can link everyone together.

I am writing my family history, mainly for my family, but will also try to reach out to as many descendants as I can.   I want Patrick and Jane's descendants to know where they come from, and their story of courage and tenacity.  

If you are interested I can share it with you.  Contact me directly on patsaunders@fastmail.com   and I will send you the link.'

cheers Pat