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Hi Rosie, I see they gave a hotel in Dublin as their address on the marriage, assume they worked there, now what is interesting is the birth certificate for Francis George is in Holles Street, Hospital, Dublin and the birth is registered by the registar, that is still a maternity hospital too. On the birth certfiicate the address is give as 4 Bridge Street, Tipperary, I am assuming the town in the county, this is unusual. Also the father is a specif type of cook, cannot make it out.
The Irish records are free for these years online at Irish Genealogy, I tried the census using the fathers names for Halliday and there were 20 George Hallidays in 1911, again free online, if you rule out the ones who are too young it reduces the number and you could search the census, again free online to see who has a George at home, also on the John Pyne there are 30 in the census and using the same logic of age that reduces that number and I see a John Pyne with a 15 year old Mary Pyne as a daughter, one of 10 living children in Ballyhimikin (Nenagh Rural, Tipperary) no guarantee this is she, but she was full age in 1916 so not positive, census done in April, also not sure if 18 or 21 is full age.
If you can isolate the correct people there is enough free information online to get back to at least 1864, both names are unusual, with the amount of Pynes in that family it should be easy to find some relatives too, there are a number of Tipperary Facebook pages on Tipperary Genealogy, apply to join.
Get back if you cannot find the sites I mentioned.
Good Luck
Pat
Thank you Pat, this is incredibly helpful - and logical! I will look in to it further with your advice. What I find also interesting, is Francis Halliday and Mary Pyne got married on 31 July 1916 and Francis was born 31 January 1917.... so she must have been pregnant when they married. Do you think they could have tried to cover up the birth by going to Dublin for a while? She may not have know at that stage of course but....! Controversial back then
Ps I think it says "Canteen Cook"
Hi Rosie, there was I hoping it would be Michelin starred chef or some such, on the birth thing, I read back in the 1970s that the majority of first children were born in the 5th month of marriage, doing genealogy it appeared similiar back in the day too. Not sure it is still a statistic mind. In my own case back in the 1850s my great great grandparents baptised a child the week before they married, same witness's at both, in deep rural Ireland, also in the 1930s a great uncle, got married one week, she had a child the 2nd week and he died the following year, people had difficult lives before Covid and think I prefer just having to avoid others for awhile.
Hope it works out well, the registration district for Coole appears to be Granard, by the way if you remember your pop music, always assuming you are of an age but that neck of the woods is where Joe Dolan came from, 1969 No 1 with Make Me an Island and later Your Such a Good Looking Woman, he was even bigger here up until his death some years back, I always try to throw in a useless fact.
Good Luck,
Pat
