General question regarding marriage certificate info

Bonniej,

The residences on an Irish marriage certificate are where the couple were living at the time of the marriage. It is not where they were born (though they might have been - but a person’s birthplace is not recorded on Irish marriage certificates). The fathers might also live at those addresses but again that’s not recorded. You cannot assume that the fathers were alive. They could be dead. Occasionally Ministers and priests put “deceased” against a father’s name but mostly they didn’t bother.

In this particular case there is a Samuel Acheson listed in Kinkit in Griffiths Valuation, so that looks likely to be your family. In 1858 he had plot 2 which was a 31 acre farm. A Robert Acheson was living in a labourers cottage on the farm so likely to be a relation.

The Valuation revision records show that farm remaining in Samuel’s name till 1876 when it changes to Thomas Atcheson. That suggests Samuel had died. There’s a death for a Samuel Atcheson regd in Strabane on 19.7.1875 aged 88. That might be him. You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

Thomas’s name remains as tenant of the farm till around 1909 when he is replaced by Thomas Keys. However Thomas isn’t in the 1901 census, so what happened to him is a bit unclear.

The Robert Atcheson in the cottage died in 1883 aged 70. Here’s his death certificate:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…

Here’s the death of another Samuel Atchison of Kinkit born c 1842, in 1890. He’ll be related to the family but it’s not immediately clear how:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…

This looks like his widow:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Altaclady/Kinki…

Daughter Marys’ birth certificate tells me her mother was Sarah Ann Loughlin:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

Family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Attaclady/Kinki…

Marriage for one of Robert Acheson’s daughters in 1873:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

A Samuel Atcheson of Kinkit married Mary Ann Todd in 1853:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

They could be the parents of the Mary Acheson who married Wm Robinson. You would likely need to search Urney Church of Ireland baptism records to confirm that. They start in 1813. There’s a copy in PRONI in Belfast.

Bonnie,

There seems to be a problem with this site at present whereby not all replies are being notified to those who have posted messages. You probably need to check periodically to see if a reply has appeared.

Regarding Mary’s birth in 1855, that was well before the start of birth registration in Ireland (1864) so you won’t find a birth certificate for her. You might find her baptism, if the records still exist. Kinkit is in Urney parish and I initially assumed she would be baptised in Urney Church of Ireland. However I see she married in Drumclamph Church of Ireland. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church. If that’s where she was baptised then the bad news is their early records were lost in the 1922 fire and they have nothing before 1877 now.

With Church of Ireland records, at present only a small percentage are on-line. Most are not, and you need to go to PRONI or certain other repositories to search them. So Urney’s records do exist and are in PRONI but if Drumclamph was where she was baptised, the records are lost.

You ask whether the Samuel who married Mary Todd was likely to have emigrated leaving his baby behind. I would say it was unlikely if Mary was still alive but if she had died, and he was a widower, then it is quite possible. A widower wouldn’t have looked after a baby in those days. He’d have got a sister or sister in law to look after it. That would then have left him free to emigrate.