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Francis Young 1825

My forefather Francis Young came from Newport, Tipperary as part of the 1825 Peter Robinson Immigration to Canada. He came with 9 children, his wife, Lady Blackall had died prior to immigration. My questions are: is the family registered in Newport Tipperary parish? We have been told Lady Blackall was disinherited because she married a Catholic. we would love to know more about her as well. Francis came on the John Barry boat and settled what is now Young's Point , Ontario, just north of Peterborough.

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Dear Patricia:

Many thanks for your query to the Ireland Reaching Out message board.

One of our volunteers has doe quite a bit of work with the Peter Robinson Immigrants and I will copy this post to her.  She may be able to add further information and detail to your query.

Thank you for your interest in the Ireland Reaching Out project and please let me know if you need further information!

Kind regards,

 

Jane

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Hi Patricia

My name is Anne Marie and I am familiar with the Peter Robinson settlers, I have checked the 1823 Tithe applotment records for Tipperary and eventhough there were a lot of people with the same surname I could not find Francis Young living there in 1823.

When it comes to the Blackalls, I can see several families in county Tipperary  in the towns of Clonmel (they were Roman Catholic), in Youghalarra also Roman Catholic and in Templederry also Roman Catholic. Most Blackall/Blackhall families were found in the Northern counties of Antrim and Derry

A baptism record for their son Samuel confirms the address in Newport county Tipperary, Samuel was baptised on the 19 April 1902 in Newport, parents Francis Young and Elizabeth Blackhall, also the baptism of son John baptised 5 July 1800 in Newport, and a daughter Eliza baptised 14 November 1797 in Newport

I also checked for baptisms of their other children, there was a Robert Young baptised in Newport but his father was Samuel Young from Newport, also Honora was a daughter of Samuel Young and his wife Catherine Byrne from Newport, more then likely related to Francis and his wife.

Hope this helps

Anne Marie

 

Mallow CorkIrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you Jane Hollaran Ryan and Anne Marie.   I am confused now.  Boat records from the John Barry boat which Francis Young and his 9 children came over on, as part of the Peter Robinson Immigration have the following information for ages:  William 24, Eliza 22 years, John 20 years, Samuel 18, Honora 16, Patrick (from which my family come fron) 14, Francis 12, Robert 10, Matthew 8.   The dates you mention for baptism Anne, for Samuel, John and Eliz don't seem to coincide correctly. (assuming they were baptized the year they were born?)   This confuses me..     it was claimed that the father, Francis YOung was born into a Protestant family and a convert to Catholicism as a young man resulted in his being disowned by his family.  He married Lady Elizabeth Blackall, the daughter of a wealthy Protestant family and she too was disinherited when she converted to her husband's faith.    Any information you have, is greatly appreciated.  Thank you so much.

 

 

 

IrelandXO member

Hi Patricia

Yes, these records can be confusing,  most records like the Peter Robinson settlers records have estimated ages, children were in general baptised 3 days after birth and sometimes even sooner.

As the parents on the baptism records are named as Francis Young and Elizabeth Blackhall I am sure the baptism records have the correct dates, I have them attached to this message

The story that one of the parties was protestant must be true as the goodfather (sponsor) of son John was Reverend Edmund Butler, John was baptised in the Catholic church with a protestant sponsor. The records can be found on the subscription site www.rootsireland.ie and on the free site http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632653#page/1/mode/1up

Also found some extra records:

Son Henry baptised 10 April 1784 in Newport, address Shallee Newport. Note this time it was a Church of Ireland baptism (Protestant)

Daughter Mary baptised church of Ireland 22 April 1787,  son Simon baptised 23 September 1819 Shallee Newport, father is listed as country Gent again a church of Ireland baptism,

The strange thing is that there is another baptism for a son Henry  on the 4th April 1824, father Francis Young, Gent from Shallee Newport but mother is a Catherine, Francis might have remarried

Note : to be selected to take part in the Peter Robinson settlers scheme the head of the family was not to be older then 45 years of age, on the passenger records the age of Francis is registered as 44, Francis must have been a lot older as his first son Henry was born on 1784, this could be a reason for the family to have adjusted their ages a bit.

Mallow CorkIrelandXO Volunteer

The 3rd great-grandfather (great-great-great grandfather) of my wife (born in Peterborough, Ontario) was Francis Young of Young’s Point, and most of her other ancestors also emigrated to Canada from Ireland.  We went to Ireland in the fall of 2016 principally to visit the origin locations of these ancestors.  This included Newport, County Tipperary, where Francis Young and his wife Elizabeth Barrrington-Blackall originated.  We eventually met a Younge family (spelled with an ‘e’) and others there that confirmed that the Barringtons were a leading family in the area and we were able to find a Barrington lineage chart, but we could not find any links to Francis Young or Elizabeth.

 

Then, months later, the Younge’s we met sent us a lineage chart that they had received from a local cousin (who it turns out was writing a historical book on the region), that confirmed that not only was Francis Young the son of Catherine Barrington, but that Elizabeth Barrington-Blackall’s father, John Blackall, was a son of Elizabeth Barrington who was Catherine Barrington’s sister!  In other word’s Francis’s mother and Elizabeth Barrington-Blackall’s grandmother were sisters, so they were first cousins once-removed.  This lineage mated perfectly with the Barrington lineage we had found in Ireland and showed conclusively that Francis’s grandfather was Benjamin Barrington (a Sheriff of Limerick City), whose father was Benjamin Barrington (also a Sheriff of Limerick City), whose father was Samuel Barrington, a master clock and chime maker and was buried with his father Francis Barrington in nearby Limerick Cathedral.  When you Google you should be able to quickly find a Wikipedia page for a Sir Francis Barrington c. 1570-1628.  This clearly is not the same Francis Barrington as Samuel’s father, but online there are a few references to Francis Barrington (1570-1628) having a son Francis, who in turn had a son Francis, and that both of the Francis Barringtons had a link to Oliver Cromwell (see attached full report for details) so it seemed a distinct possibility that Samuel’s father was either the son or grandson of Francis Barrington (1570-1628).  Not only that, but Francis Barrington 1570-1628 was a descendant of the Barrington’s of Barrington Hall, Broad Oak, Essex, England (Google this family for more information) who in turn were descendants of an Odu du Barrentin of Barrentin, France who came to England with the Normans in 1066!  (again, Google Barrington Hall Essex for more information).  Furthermore, by searching for Sir Francis Barrington 1st Baronet on Wikipedia and clicking through the links the to each success parent, you will quickly find that he was a direct descendant of 6 Plantagenet Kings of England from Henry II through to Edward III who died in 1177.  This desendancy goes back through a line of Norman Lords to 900 AD.  Even more interesting is that Edward III’s wife was Isabella of Francis, daughter of Phillip IV King of France, son of 9 Kings of France of the Capet Dynasty, and then through several European Lords and Counts all the way back to the founder of the Merovingian Dynasty born in 415 AD!

 

However, it still remained to show conclusively that Samuel Barrington was a direct descendant of Francis Barrington 1570-1628.  This proof came after I contacted the same cousin of the Younges who provided the key information linking to the Barringtons, who sent me copies of reports from the 1831 Old Limerick Journal that gives this proof.  The attached full report and its 4 appendices give the complete story.  If you have trouble downloading it, please post on this board with your email address and I can email you all of this information.

 

This means that anyone who can trace their ancestry to Francis Young through one of his 9 children are direct descendants, through a continuous line of fathers or mothers, to a line of 6 Plantagenet Kings of England and 10 Capet Kings of France. The entire lineage is shown in the attached Appendix I.

 

Post if you have questions on this or need further information.

kerluked@gmail.com

I have noticed a typo in my previous post:  Edward III lived 1312-1377 and reigned 1327-1377, and not 1135-1137 as shown in the posting and report.

kerluked@gmail.com

I have noticed a typo in my previous post:  Edward III lived 1312-1377 and reigned 1327-1377, and not 1135-1137 as shown in the posting and report.

kerluked@gmail.com

Thank you all for this fascinating information. 

While I am not related to the Young family, I do have family from Newport. 

I was researching the Robinson records, scanning the names of the settlers, not expecting to see any from Newport, when I found the information about the Young family.

I find it interesting to note the lineage of the family and actually wondered how they might have qualified for the Robinson group as it was only the destitute that were chosen. But I have to presume that they had  been disowned by all.

Thanks again.

Susan Inwood  (Newport family names: Kearney, Nihil, Sexton, Ryan, Ahern, Gleeson)

Susan Inwood

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