Foley/Cavanagh

Patrick,

Looking at the 1901 and 1911 census records, there were no families with those surnames in Killourney, Kilkeedy, Clare. Yes, the baptism records for the RC parish of Tubber (Kilkeedy) begin in 1833. I looked at the Tubber records on the clarelibrary.ie for possible siblings born post 1833 for Edward, but did not find any. Was Elizabeth Malone from the same town land as Edward?

Regards,

 

Hi Carolyn,

I have no idea where any of them are from. I hadn’t really looked at Galway very much, but AncestryDNA, stuck a pin in that area for Ellen Cavanagh, Edward Foley and Elizabeth Malone. I may have to explore that a little more and see if there are DNA “matches” for that same area and compare trees.

Thank you for looking anyway.

Pat

Pat,

I was working off of the name Killourney you wrote in your query.....that is in Clare, not Galway that you mention above.

Regards,

Carolyn,

The Killourney in Galway is SW of Eyrecourt in eastern Galway.  I can’t say they were from there, that is just where AncestryDNA stuck a pin suggesting they were from that area.

Thanks again.

Pat

Pat,

Sorry for the misinformation...I just did a search for Killourney, and it came up in Clare. A search for Killourney, Galway shows that the town land is called Reaskmore...there are two with that name in different civil parishes. I too am on Ancestry, and did not know that it was that specific in locating one's origins. Is that something you pay extra for?

Regards,

 

Hi Carolyn,

I've had my AncestryDNA results for a few years now.  I don't know if this is a new feature but I found it earlier this week.

Edward&Elizabeth.png

It doesn't seem to want to let me add any more screenshots.  I'll send others in separate messages.

Pat

I'll try this again.

ElizabethMap.png

Another.

Ellen Cavanaugh.png

Last one.

MapwithPin.png

Ok, I can see mine too, but the pin is on the map because I have the birth location with records in their profile already.

Thanks,

Except I have no idea where they were born or lived.

They also show up with pins in LaSalle,IL because I know that’s where they lived.

My parents concentrated on Kerry and Cork because that’s where many Foley’s live(d). I was looking in Kilkenny because I finally found a John Foley married to an Eleanor Cavanagh in the right time frame.

So, how does AncestryDNA place them in Eastern Galway? On top of that, two that ended up marrying in LaSalle and the mother of Edward, also in the same area???

I guess that is where I’m going to concentrate. Any suggestions on records? If I could find death records of John and Ellen Foley, or their other children(assuming they had others) would they have obits that mention parents?

Thanks again.

Pat

Pat,

I am not sure where Ancestry is leading you, but I doubt you'll find death records for John and Ellen as the civil death records began in 1871. They most likely did not live that long. Edward's death in 1863 as I saw on your tree was during a time when no parent's information was given. I did an all Ireland search on Roots Ireland for Edward with those parents, but did not see anything. How do you know his parents were John Foley and Ellen Cavanagh? I'm unclear about your statement that Edward's mother ended up in LaSalle...did she emigrate too? I don't think the two records that you have for Ellen Cavanagh on your tree are correct....the 1880 US census shows different grandchildren's names than the children you have for Edward, and the birth record for a John Foley is in the RC parish of Cloyne which is in Cork.

These early immigrants are difficult to figure out......IF Edward continued the Irish naming tradition with his children in the US - and that's a big IF, his mother's name would have been Margaret. 

Good Luck!

Hi Carolyn,

My fault on a poorly stated fact. When I said Edward’s mother was placed in the same area as Edward and Elizabeth, I meant in Eastern Galway (SW of Eyrecourt). There’s no record of his parents emigrating, nor any siblings.

Regarding how I know his parents are John and Ellen… the St Patrick’s church record (1857) in LaSalle has that statement. Elizabeth’s first marriage to Michael Farrell (also at St Pat’s) had both Michael’s and Elizabeth’s parents listed.

Edward did somewhat follow the naming pattern; first daughter was Ellen, second daughter Margaret, first son John, second son Edward, born in 1857, 1859, 1861 and 1863. All baptized at St Pat’s. If they had followed it exactly, it would have been Anna and then Ellen, correct? Anna was Elizabeth’s mother and then second daughter after the father’s mother. FYI, we believe Edward died in March of 1863 and his last son was born in December of 1863. Elizabeth naming him after the father instead of her father?

It’s all very frustrating. It just seemed interesting that AncestryDNA would place those three people in Eastern Galway. There is nothing in my tree that places anyone from that area.

Thanks again.

Pat

Hi Pat,

So, I finally discovered on my tree where that pin on the map deal is...but as I mentioned earlier, it's is because I have their birth records in their profile. I believe Ancestry is pointing out that area in eastern Galway from other user's DNA matches to you. Have you explored the DNA matches section on Ancestry yet?

The RC parish for this part of Galway is Clonfert (other names for this parish are Donanaghta, Eyrecourt, Laurencetown, Meelick and Oghill). Unfortunately, the parish baptism records start in 1884 and end in 1919. The parish marriage records go from 1810 to 1812, and then from 1894 to 1917. None of this helps you!

Regarding the naming conventions, this also is a challenge because of Elizabeth's first marriage where she named her first born after her mother. I did not take that into account when I suggested his mother was named Margaret. 

Going forward, I'd explored your Ancestry DNA matches looking for Foley, Cavanagh, Malone surnames. 

Good Luck!

Hi Carolyn, 

Yes I have looked at DNA matches. So far no real good hits on Foley’s. I’ll search for Malone’s and Cavanagh’s next.

Thanks so much for your efforts!

Pat

Pat   I see you have a few posts 

This is the latest update I sent to you, I have added the first reply I sent.

 

• Hi,  This site..... Find a Grave - Millions of Cemetery Records  does have Clontuskert graves, but these are only when a relative of kind person enters the details.

  I have just seen this.......a project that is on going.
   St Augustine's Graveyard Clontuskert
  May be a local to the area would tell you more.
  (we used to go the music festivals and in the day time we would search graveyards for people overseas, so I know most of them)
  Sadly I have not been to this one, sorry.

  You say..........................
  The Griffith's record lists Gannaveen as a townland but when searched on Google maps, lists it as a cornfield.

  Try this.....in future..... type in on google/search townlands in County Galway
  Then search for Clontuskert............ then look for Gannaveen
  This is the map see below............when you look at a google map ............I see it looks like a corn field.     Then type in on search Gannaveen county Galway it usually shows a road map when you change it to satellite and see where you see the corn field it's an area.  You have to match the town land map with a google map. move the map and you will see houses....farms etc where you see L8714 this is a Lane and it's number. When you R355 it's a Rural road. 
  Sorry if it sounds kiddy English. 
  Griffiths valuation maps....... when you see the out lines of the townlands in red that is from the date stated (1837 to 1864). you will also see lots of black lines, the black lines are from the Tithe records  (1823 to 1837)  match the area again with the townland and the modern map.

  Gannaveen Townland, Co. Galway (townlands.ie)

  Cheers

  Margot

  Wednesday 1st May 2024, 02:10PM