Hello Siobhán,
I found information that may pertain to Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith’s son Patrick. The re.S. Social Security Applications and Claims Index, which was uncovered at Ancestry.com. But, the index gives the full name as Thomas Patrick Farrelly, rather than Patrick Farrelly.
The index gives his birth date as 12 August 1878, his place of birth as the Republic of Ireland, and also that his parents were Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith. Other information in the index shows that his Social Security Number was 361208920, with a Note that reads, “Jul 1943: Name listed as THOMAS PATRICK FARRELLY.”
No location in the U.S is given for this record, or if the record is a Social Security Application or a Social Security Claim.
See the index below:
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Thomas Patrick Farrelly
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1878
Birth Place: Republic of Ireland
Father: Owen Farrelly
Mother: Catherine Smith
SSN: 361208920
Notes: Jul 1943: Name listed as THOMAS PATRICK FARRELLY
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
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The reason why this Social Security Index may refer to your Patrick Farrelly, is that his baptism record gives his date of birth as 11 August 1878 and his baptism as 13 August 1878. I know you already have his combination Catholic Church baptism/birth record, but the following link will bring you to the record for quick access: https://is.gd/Dn9Fuj
Patrick’s baptism is the last on the register and spans both pages of the register.
His Finternagh, Cavan birth date, according to his birth record, is also 11 August 1878: https://is.gd/R4oxfS
His date of birth in the Social Security Index is off by one day from his church baptism/birth record and his civil registration birth record. This could be a coincidence. What do you think?
I tried to find more information about Patrick or Thomas Patrick Farrelly at Ancestry.com as well as the FamilySearch website, but came up empty.
I located another Social Security Application and Claims Index. This one is for a “Cathrine” Farrelly, with a date of birth of 24 June 1881. Her birthplace is “Cavon,” Ulster, Republic of Ireland. This would of course refer to County Cavan, which was and was and is in the Province of Ulster. Cathrine’s parents are Owen Farrelly and Kathrine Smith. Her social security Number is 128200247.
We know that Catherine was actually born in the year 1875, but that her day and month of birth were 24 June in her civil birth record. Her baptism record gives her date of birth as 23 June 1875 and her date of baptism as 25 June 1875. This index could possibly refer to your Catherine Farrelly, based on the month and day of birth and baptism, but off by 6 six years for her year of birth. Again, this could be another coincidence.
Like the Social Security Applications and Claims Index for Patrick, the index for Cathrine does not mention where she was living at the time of the application or the claim, unfortunately:
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Cathrine Farrelly
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1881
Birth Place: Cavon Ulster, Republic of Ireland
Father: Owen Farrelly
Mother: Kathrine Smith
SSN: 128200247
Notes: Oct 1943: Name listed as CATHRINE FARRELLY
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
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What you can do at this point, if interested, is order the Social Security Application form that Patrick/Thomas Farrelly and Cathrine Farrelly filled in when they applied for a Social Security Card.
You can apply for the Social Security Records by filling in Form SSA-711, which you can access at: https://www.ssa.gov/forms/ssa-711.pdf
You would need to apply for two different records on two application forms
The full Social Security record is $21, payable by credit card. You can also get an abstract of the record for $20.00. Purchase the full record as I don’t believe the abstract contains all the information the full record does.
See below for more details, from ancestry.com, about the Social Security applications:
Information you may find includes:
applicant's full name
Social Security Number (SSN)
date and place of birth
citizenship
sex
father's name
mother's maiden name
race/ethnic description (optional)
You may also find details on changes made to the applicant's record, including name changes or information on claims that were recorded. The most common types of claims noted include: Original SSN (when the original application was submitted to obtain a SSN), Life Claim (when a claim was made for disability or retirement benefits), Death Claim (when a claim was made by a surviving family member for death or survivor benefits), and Duplicate SSN (usually used when an application was made to replace a SS card, it may also indicate a change in SSN or that more than one SSN was assigned).
Note: Some records may include unusual abbreviations or truncated entries for county and other names or punctuation errors in the data. These are in the original; we have not altered the text.
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Also, I located a marriage index for a “Katherine” Farrelly and a fellow named Edward Grobel at the FamilySearch website. The index shows the couple were married in “New York City, Richmond…” on 9 September 1911. At the time of marriage Edward was 34 and Catherine 32. Catherine’s estimated birth year in the marriage record is 1879. Again however, we know that Katherine was born in 1875. The index shows her parents were Owen Farrelly and Katherine Smith. At the time of marriage Edward and Catherine were single. His parents were William Grobel and Elizabeth Otto. Edward was born in Brooklyn, New York.
“New York City, Richmond,” is actually a reference to Staten Island, which is one of the 5 boroughs of New York City. The other 4 boroughs are Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and The Bronx.
The marriage index from FamilySearch is below:
New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940
Name: Edward Grobel
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 09 Sep 1911
Event Place: New York City, Richmond, New York, United States
Event Place (Original): RICHMOND, NEW YORK
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Birth Year (Estimated): 1877
Birthplace: BROOKLIN, N.Y.
Father's Name: William Grobel
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Otto
Spouse's Name: Katherine Farrelly
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 32
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Race: White
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1879
Spouse's Birthplace: IRELAND
Spouse's Father's Name: Owen Farrelly
Spouse's Mother's Name: Katherine Smith
Citing this Collection
"New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940." Database. FamilySearch. http://FamilySearch.org : 29 November 2018. New York Municipal Archives, New York.
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Also at the FamilySearch website, I found a death record transcription for a Rose Farrelly, daughter of Owen Farrelly and Catherine Smith. Rose died at 3939 Lake Park Avenue, Chicago, Illinois, on 10 November 1955. Her age at death however is recorded as 75, with an estimated year of birth of 1880. But her Irish birth and baptism records show that Rose was born in 1873, which would actually make her 82 years old in 1955. The person who reported Rose’s death was a lady named Catherine Tookey.
The death transcription also shows that Rose’s occupation had been “Stenographer,” and that she was single when she died. The wake and funeral was from the C.S. Kelly Funeral Home. Rose was buried on 12 November 1955 in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery, Worth, Illinois.
Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1871-1998
Name: Rose Farrelly
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 10 Nov 1955
Event Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
Address: 3939 Lake Park Ave
Residence Place: 3939 Lake Park Ave
Gender: Female
Age: 75
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Occupation: Stenographer
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Birthplace: Ireland
Funeral Home: C S Kelly
Burial Date: 12 Nov 1955
Burial Place: Worth, Illinois
Cemetery: Holy Sepulchre
Father's Name: Owen Farrelly
Mother's Name: Catherine Smith
Informant's Name: Catherine Tookey
Citing this Collection
"Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1871-1998." Database. FamilySearch. https://FamilySearch.org : 3 November 2020. Citing County Clerk, Cook County Courthouse, Chicago.
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The FamilySearch website has a link to a copy of the original death record for Rose, but the link no longer works, unfortunately. The full death record for Rose will contain more information than you see in the transcription above. This information may include the cause of death and the name of the attending physician.
A copy of Rose’s death cert can be purchased from the Cook County Clerk’s Office. Death certs are $17. As an aside, the Cook County Clerk’s Office website has a link to access non-certified death records, but this link is also not working either.
For information about ordering death certs from the Cook County Clerk, go to: https://is.gd/5VOvsU
Also see: https://www.cookcountyclerk.com/service/death-certificates
Other information I located at Family Search was the Archdiocese of Chicago Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Record for Rose Farrelly. See Below:
Illinois, Archdiocese of Chicago, Cemetery Records, 1864-1989
Name: Rose Farrelly
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 12 Nov 1955
Event Place: Worth, Cook, Illinois, United States • Edit
Event Place (Original): Worth, Cook, Illinois, United States
Age: 75
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Cemetery: Holy Sepulchre
Citing this Collection
"Illinois, Archdiocese of Chicago, Cemetery Records, 1864-1989." Database with images. FamilySearch. https://FamilySearch.org : 28 December 2020. Archdiocese of Chicago, Illinois.
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For a copy of the original cemetery record from the Archdiocese of Chicago, see: https://is.gd/xfq5UC
You may have to register with FamilySearch to download a copy of the original Archdiocese of Chicago, Cemetery Record for Rose.
The address, 3939 Lake Park Ave, is a high rise in Chicago, called Lake Park Place Apartments. I’m not sure if the street numbers for this area of Chicago have changed in the last 65 years, but it is possible that Rose died in the Lake Park Place Apartments in 1955.
For a Google Street View of the apartments, see: https://is.gd/gpKXCE
For a Google Map of the location of the apartments in Chicago, go to: https://is.gd/og9e50
Holy Sepulchre Cmetery is actually in Worth Township, Alsip, Illinois. For more information about the cemetery, go to the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Sepulchre_Cemetery_(Alsip,_Illinois)
Siobhán, I can’t say with certainty that any of the records in this reply refer to members of your particular Farrelly clan of Finternagh, Cavan, I just wanted to show you some of the information that is available so that you can determine whether or not you would like to look for more information, and whether it is worth the expense to do so.
With Best Wishes for the New Year,
Dave
