Duffy/Carlile Rhode County Offaly

I'm not sure how much help I can provide, but I do have some info.  What may once have been spelled Crochan is now spelled Croghan, which is just an alternate anglicization of the Irish original, Cruachán.  There are now actually two townlands with that name:  Croghan Demesne and Croghanhill.  At this link, you can see more info about Croghanhill (Cnoc an Chruacháin), and can even see the hill itself depicted on the map there.  You can see the town of Croghan on that map to the south, which is where Croghan Demesne is located, and there is a further link on the page to more info about Croghan Demesne:

https://www.townlands.ie/offaly/lower-philipstown/croghan/croghan/crogh…

You can also scroll around on that map, and see Rhode off to the east.

The site also contains further links to info from Griffith's Valuation (mid-1800's), if it's available, but the links at the pages for Croghan Demesne and Croghanhill show no results, which probably means that different names were used back then (perhaps the Crochan form you have) and that the site creators failed to make the link to the alternate name.  I have a great-grandfather who was born about 2 miles south of Croghan, and I know from my own research that there is a lot of confusion with the townland names in the area.  Interestingly, in 1870 there was a John Duffy who acted as a sponsor at the baptism of one of my great-grandfather's nephews. I noted down his co-sponsor as a Mary Conlan, not Carlile, but the two sponsors may not have been husband and wife.  Maybe that was your John Duffy, if he was still in the area!

I don't know whether Croghan is in the Catholic parish of Rhode or Philipstown (from the map, it looks close to the parish border). The parish records for Rhode only go back to 1829, which is too later for the date you have for John, but you might find younger siblings of his (families often had children over a long period of time).  Those records are avaible online here:

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0728

You can use the interactive map at that site to move to Philipstown or Edenderry.  The records in both of those parishes go back to 1820, but in Philipstown there  are a few years covered in the late 1700's (where I was luckily able to find my great-great-grandfather).  That would still be too late for John, but the odds of finding a sibling would be greater.  If the marriage of John and Mary took place in Edenderry, that probaably indicates that she was from there, since weddings usually took place in the bride's  parish.

 

 

Kevin,

Thank you so much for all this information. It's very kind of you to spend so much time replying to my post and is very much appreciated. 

Thank you for pointing out my spelling error. My grandfather would be quite annoyed with me for that mistake. His name was also John Duffy. He was the person responsible for my research into the Duffy line. He had a marvelous memory and told me a lot about his family. I did come from Scotland to visit the area twenty years ago with my mother Veronica Duffy. We visited all the places john told us about.Rhode, Edenderry, Croghan, Clara and many other places in the surounding area. Unfortunately at that time I had little information and didn't make the most of the trip. 

I'm quite new to researching the Irish records and have discovered that they are limited. It's difficult to find information. I have to go on the old notes I took from the stories of my grandfather.

John duffy and Maria Carlile left Ireland sometime between the birth of their son Michael in 1855 in Rhode and the marraige of another son Thomas in 1866 in Dundee.

I think John's parents left with them.

My grandfather visited Tubberdaly Nr. Rhode in the 1920's to visit another branch of the family (the Foy's related to his grandmother Mary Martin). He told me he used to visit the Carliles in Croghan. He told me that his grandfather ( the first mentioned John Duffy and HIS father) were born in Croghan.

I have looked at the available Catholic registers for Rhode and Edendery. I found a marraige for John and Maria in Edenderry and for some (but not all) of their children in Rhode. I do intend trolling through the other available records for clues.

That's it so far. I think John and Maria were very young when they married but were born before the available records. I did find other mention of Duffy's and Calile's but have no way of relating them soundly to my ancestors.

I haven't looked yet at the GriffithsValuation records. 

I recently had My DNA results from ANCESTRY and they indicate my genes originate in the North of Ireland. 47% Scottish and 44% Irish. I've spent many, many years researching the Scotish bloodlines but only just started to concentrate on the Irish. I'm beginning to realise that the Irish search won't give up as many positive resuts.I think I need some lessons on Irish geneology research. I wish to find as much information as I can and then revisit the area. 

How has your research been? Where are you based? Did any of your family come to Scotland? 

I was born and bred in Dundee but now live in a wee Village called Friockheim (freecom) which is near Arbroath on the east coast of Scotland. When "lockdown" started I collected all my notes and bits of paper together in a huge pile in the middle of my bedroom floor. I spent weeks seperating them out into seperate families and then began the task of creating timelines and properly citing all the information I have. This task continues to be a work in progress. I thank god I have this project otherwise I would surely have lost my mind with boredom during this challenging time.

I think I'll attempt writing a book for my family and future generations. All my notes will be deposited into relevant archive centres.

Anyway Kevin, Thank you again for getting back to me. I hope you and yours are safe and well.

Px

 

I'm glad some of that was of help, Paula.  I'm in the US, and I don't know of any specific connections to Scotland, but I do have some Scottish roots.  My mother's parents both grew up in Mayo, and in that branch there are McDonnell's and Campbell's who came to Mayo pre-Reformation, and as a result I've turned up a number of DNA matches among Scottish McDonald's, Campbell's, MacLeod's and other Highland clans.  Sometimes they appear to be reasonably close connections, so I suspect that there was some movement in later years, probably from Ireland to Scotland, but nothing I can pin down.

I also have one Norwegian great-grandfather (the other seven great-grandparents were all born in Ireland, like the one I mentioned from Offaly), and there may be a Scottish conneciton there. I've turned up several Hamilton DNA matches, including one not-too-distant one, and some of them have made a connection to Norway through a Hamilton from either Aberdeen or Dundee who settled southeast of Oslo in the late 18th century.  He was a ship's captain and his descendants carried on with seafaring there (and are still there today).  I've been unable to make an actual connection to my family, though, apart from the fact that my great-grandfather was also a seaman who jumped ship in New York when he was 16 years old, starting my family line there.

Take care!

-- Kevin

These children, born in Edenderry, have parents FRANCIS Carlisle and Mary Coyne. But if your Maria Carlisle married in 1833, this Mary Carlisle could not be her.
ViewChurch BaptismCarlisleWilliam1822Co. Offaly
ViewChurch BaptismCarlisleMary1828Co. Offaly
ViewChurch BaptismCarlisleAnne1830Co. Offaly
ViewChurch BaptismCarlislePat1833Co. Offaly
ViewChurch BaptismCarlisleEliza1836Co. Offaly
ViewChurch BaptismCarlileEllen1839Co. Offaly
ViewChurch BaptismCarlisleJames1843Co. Offaly
--rootsireland

Hello Patricia,

Thank you so much for this. I did see these individuals whilst looking through the registers but am not sure how I can relate them to my Carlile and Coyne. In scotland we are very lucky as we have a wealth of records to search which helps to collaborate information and thus establish family connections. I feel sure there is a connection here but can't be 100% possitive. Maria's father is Joseph on her scottish certificates. Her mother is Mary Coyne. There must be a connection . On her marriage certificate in Edenderry in 1833 a witness was Sandy Carlile. he appears again in 1835 on the entry for Maria's second child, Maria in Rhode

I estimate she was born around 1815-1820. Is it the case that she could have been as young as 12 when she married? The 1861 census in Dundee Scotland states that she was 38.

It's all very disjointed.

I hope you are well and safe. Are you in County Offaly or do you live further afield? We all seem to have much more time to pick up on our family resaerch. Do you have any Scottish connections?

Take care and thank you again for your kind interest in my research.

Px

Good morning Kevin. 

I have many connections in Dundee and also a distant connection to a Campbel who's family became ships captains. They however hailed from the Wemyss/Methil areas on Fife. (They were Thomsons). If I can help you with your resaerch I will gladly do so.

Px

Hello Paula, Please see below...
It's all very disjointed.
--Ages/birth years in censuses and vital records often vary a lot. People in the 1800s were perhaps not as aware of age as we are--they weren't being constantly asked for ID like driver's licenses, social security info, passports, etc. As for census info, the person listed was not necessarily the person giving the census-taker the information. In fact, the person providing the info might not have been a relative; it could have been a neighbor. Regarding death certificates, the information was given by a third party, obviously not by the deceased. Even parents' names on a death cert may not be right.
Please feel free to contact me at glanvil3@aol.com.

Hi Paula

Just joined this group and I think our family are connected.  My mother is a Duffy and I have traced her family back to John Duffy and Maria Carlile (John's parents were Thomas Duffy and Esther Mara) - Is this the same family - I really hope it is.

This is brief view of our family - 

Thomas and Esther

John and Maria Carlile - came to Dundee Scotland

Son Francis married Susan Donachie

Francis had son also John who married Elizabeth Butter - they had 14 children - one of which was Henry (Harry) who is my grandfather.

Would really love to find out if we have the same family and can share our findings.  I currently live in Dundee, Scotland

Here's hoping - Lesley 

Good morning Lesley

Would love to chat. 

paulaewen@btinternet.com

Paula