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Michael joseph dollard father William, Michael was a fireman/ stoker seaman, his d.o.b varied from each voyage between 1856/59 birthplace Dublin, he married in 1880 inLiverpool to Elizabeth Dixon  and had 3 children wife and children all deceased by 1892. Father William  named as pensioner on marriage certificate. Married 1894 maryann melia, Father down as deceased on this certificate. 2 children 1st died at 18 mths, 2nd survived (my mother) Mary Ann Died 1904, my mother lived with ??? relatives of a shipmate of her father, so didn't know any history. Michael left Southampton on SS Teutonic for voyage to New York, the story is that he became ill en route was hospitalised in NY. and died. That he died was true as his dependant child was awarded "outdoor relief " from the seamen's orphanage fund. I have searched captains ships records, no trace also New York burials no trace. I found a John dollard ,grocer on 1881 Liverpool census along with daughter Maria b 1860 Kilkenny there must be a relationship as Maria is a sponsor on a relatives baptism. John doesn't appear on any further census and there arent any UK death records. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I've exhausted all avenues thanks.

Maggie

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Hi, The only William Dollard death I found (death between 1880 and 1892) was in 1885, in Kilkenny.
Present at that death was a Richard Dollard his son. It says William was married at the time of his death.
I looked for Richard's birth and his Mother was Bridget Purcell. 
William's age at death was 56, giving him a birth year of 1829. 
I have also got his Probate record.
Could this be Michael's father?
Please confirm this.
Was the marriage of Michael in a Catholic Church?
Civil records were introduced in 1864 so I would have to look through the Parish records to find Michael's birth.
John Dollard the grocer you found what was his age in the 1881 census please.
The Naval records, not all are on line.
Margot
 

Margot Secrette

Hello Margo thankyou for your search, unfortunately I haven't a clue if this William could be michaels father, if John dollard could be linked to William it could be a maybe. Michaels 1st marriage in Liverpool in 1880 was in a C/E church, apparently this was common to cancel out registrars fees, his 2nd marriage was in a Catholic Church in Liverpool. I keep hoping a "match" will pop up on my ancestry or my heritage sites, which could "crack" the puzzle but nothing so far!! Thanks again maggie.

Maggie

Hi maggie
John Dollard the grocer you found what was his age in the 1881 census please.
 

Margot Secrette

Hi Margot, sorry to confuse you, I must have seen John dollard name in a street directory, as he had a shop 8 spring grove bootle lancashire in 1800s, not the 1881 census, there isn't any trace of him or Maria in UK prior to her appearing with Edward Brady and son William on the 1901 census, the only deduction I can make is that Maria being pregnant, child  born 1883, was brought to Liverpool by John who set her up with the shop, then went back to Ireland as he does not appear on the 1901 census. Why Edward and maria could not have married earlier ??? both 40!!! as he is listed as batchelor on the catholic certificate in Dec.1901, with both fathers deceased. Don't know if I have the right Brady family f.william m.catherine dullard 9/6/1853 GOWRAN Kilkenny.8 children 1 a Thomas age 40 appears on 1911 census of Maria and Edward. In Bootle Lancashire census. Maybe John and Maria were "neighbours" of the bradys.?? Sorry I'm confusing things, Maggie

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Margot, not very clear message Maria and Edward were 40 when married at st James R/C church bootle lancashire,not 40 at conception (Maria must have been about 22/23) maggie

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Hi honestly don't know, as I've said his birth year varied voyage to voyage making research much more difficult, I will add him to my records just in case, how can I check up on idea!!  Father William was down as "clerk" on michaels 1st marriage and pensioner on his 2nd. I checked (and have print outs) most interesting  details on dollard/dullards from Kilkenny in east India army,but can't find any  pension records, also could he have been in the police force??? ( John dollards daughters father-in-law was listed as pol.officer deceased on marriage cert) I know I'm grasping at lots of straws. Maggie

Maggie

Hi,
Could this be Michael?

On the Ship records,  one states place of birth Carrend, this is 1878 when Michael was on the Wisconsin.
Carrend ......?  
I looked at the original document......it's a quiggle but looks like Carlow.
I went to registers on line and Carlow. searched 1852 onwards.........
Saw this....29th January 1856 2nd entry of the 29th......Michael Joseph of William Dollard, his mother is below....Mary Ann Fennell, they live in Bridewell Lane.
Sponsors Sylvester Matthews and Catherine Matthews.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634427#page/69/mode/1up
I checked for any other births, there is a James in 1864 and it states father William was a pensioner.
Number 251, mother Fennell, grandmother present at the birth.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03594/2325404.pdf

 

Margot Secrette

Thank you so much, quite excited, this sounds very promising, his D.O.B did vary between 1856/9  I vaguely remember years ago seeing ??? Ships entry which had some details re next of kin and the name Mary stuck in my mind I must have written it down and lost the paper, and have not been able to trace anything since, I have contacted various offices but can't find out where the records from his last voyage are. I'm waiting for a message from New York re a death entry listed 1911/12 for a Michael J Dollard. (don't feel like paying lots of dollars for a red herring unless it's the right person) with Dublin being on his ships details and F pensioner I wondered if F. was employed by dollard printers in Dublin. (all same names must have roots to the same tree) thanks again for this info I shall try and explore this"nugget" Maggie.

Maggie

Maggie are you near Liverpool England?

The Maritime Museum has records, there are online records but are only from 1915.
He was on 5 ships. Arizaona, Campania, Majestic, Wisconsin and Vancouver. 
I was looking yesterday for them.
The only other place is NA at Kew.
There are 2 Michael Joseph Dollards in New York, and this one..........
Michael J Dollard died 1911-1913 in Albany, New York. page 122 in the Registrars book.

Margot

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Hi Margot, I am originally from Liverpool but now in Kent. I have been to both maritime. Kew and British library but cannot find anything to lead me to death records. Thanks for birth records the NW record 122 is the one I'm waiting to hear about. I also have in my records a baptism 12/10/1856 Crossard Michael dollard parents William wooling and Mary Dollard??? Maggie

 

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Hi Margot did you post a message??? I received an email but have tried but cannot access content. Maggie

Maggie

Hi Maggie, yes I sent it, oh well.
Michael J Dollard died 1911-1913 in Albany, New York. page 122
Now then, this is only the index page and you would have to send for the actual record.
I don't know if it is your Mchael, it's just that the names and dates you have match these.
Margot

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Thanks Margot when!!!!! things are back too "normal" I will be able to pursue the records you have sent I.e William, pension from where, if there were any more children, and Michael NY death records. Maggie

Maggie

Hi Margot, I'm quite excited.  When you found will Dollard pensioner. I checked east India army records for dollards I got from Kew records a few years ago, but was never able to pursue any further. I found a will Dollard enlisted 1832 ballytarsna Leix disc. 1853 age 40 permanent pension 8/7/1853 CARLOW. could this be the jackpot!!! hope so.dont think I can access the pension records online, which would give D.O.D etc. Thanks maggie.

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Hi margot, thanks for all your help. Have found William and Maryann fennel's marriage, plus a girl Elizabeth b 16/09/1854, and a ???? Mary Anna b. Nov 1858, although mothers surname is different. Surely there must have been more children between Michael and James??? Maggie

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Hi, do you know if Maryann Fennel died between any births and William re-married?
It is possible, this is what I found with my family, but I found the death as it was after 1864.
It's just digging.........it takes time.
Margot

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Hi what I've found out so far, with your help, William death dec 1865.he died in Kildare infirmary ??? Patient,  but "porter" was listed a on a record  I have a Mary Dollard death carlow 1908 age72 which fits with age, also James b1864 emigrated 1880 age 16    (mother Mary Dollard ) on city of Richmond. Maybe any in between children died.??? Can I apply on line for any certificates,?? Maggie.

 

Maggie

Hi Margot, just had a very disappointing phone conversation with an army record researcher re William dollards pension records, I thought I would find family,death records,and pension allowance,details,  to tie up loose ends, but no,1853 is not far enough back for detailed records!!!  Maggie

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Margot think I've ?? found another Dollard and fennell birth MARY ANNA 25/10/1858 mothers name is spelt as Grinnell, father CUILIOLINE dollard could this be William can't find any name translation. Maggie

Maggie

Hi Maggsie
Where did you find this?

If you have the original Doc. can you post it please.
 

Margot Secrette
Maggie

Hi Margot, did you receive the attachment I tried to send?? Maggie

Maggie

Hi, No sorry, I havn't seen any docs.
I looked back up to the top of your post to see if it was there.
See if you can copy and paste it.

I looked for the death of Mary Dollard in Carlow, I can't see that. (can you post that please)
Thanks

 

Margot Secrette

Hi Margot, sorry I'm rubbish with technology can you find the details from this registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000734429#page/1/. for Mary anna Dollard birth, also  I think I've got the wrong Maryann death age 72 in 1909 as it was in new Ross. I think I might have found John dullard/Dollard m to a Mary Clarke, the Maria/Mary b 1860 ties  in with her age on documents, with 5 more siblings, only thing her birth is in Johnstown and rest are Galmoy??? right family, can't find any details to tie John and William, except a baptism of a John dullard July 1818 in Ossory Kilkenny, f William m, Anne Bergin. If William (carlow) 99% sure it's him from Leix east India army, he was b 1813. Could be brothers??? Maggie

Maggie

Hello Margot, sorry to keep bothering you, just wanted to ask (.if available) about marriage certificates,from early to mid  1800s, would I be able to obtain them and if so what details I.e fathers names would be registered. Thought this could be a way of linking William and John!!! Were you able to access the Dollard/fennell birth from the record number?? Maggie

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