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Derrycooldrum, Newport, Mayo????

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Years ago this website was very helpful in me tracking down the birth records of my great-grandmother's siblings in Ireland. I have yet to find hers, but I believe she may have been born in England with her younger brother before making it to the US. Anyway around 1869, Bridget (Delia) Walsh was born in Mayo. Her parents James Walsh and Mary Lally Walsh were listed. James had indicated that his place of residency was Derrycooldrum, Mayo at the time. The geneologist that was wonderfully helpful to me had, I believe, not heard of this place or wasn't positive where it was.

Most recently, I believe I have now located James Walsh's mother Frances (Fanny) Walsh. Fanny is listed as residing in Derrycooldrum, Newport, Mayo in 1868.In numerous legal documents, found on Ancestry.com, her neighbor continued to sue her (she is listed aswidowed). The neighbor accussed her various animals, mostly sheep, of wandering on his property and destroying his crops.The same documents indicate that her family members Edward Walsh (I believe this is a son as he emigrated and resided next to James Walsh's family in Syracuse, ny) and John Walsh (another son) either witnessed, threatened, or assaulted this neighbor, as did Fanny herself.

I am thrilled to find another document where Derrycooldrum is listed as the residency only I am assuming a name changed here. Does anyone know where this place is? Is it referring to a parish or town, etc.?

Thanks so much. Continued best of luck with the search!

Christina

chrissy_emerso…

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This placename sounded very familiar - found a previous topic where this was mentioned.

     Walshes - Friday 9th March 2018

Derrycooldrim is a townland of just under 520 acres in Burrishoole civil parish, it's located about 7km (~4.5 miles) to the north west of the town of Newport in County Mayo. There's an entry for this townland on the placename database, along with a location map, and some details of previous references, name variations and the name in Irish  - Derrycooldrim townland.

I confirmed from the list of registration districts and sub-districts that Derrycooldrim townland was in Newport registration district, and sub-district so matches with the details on Bridget’s birth cert.

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Shanew147,

I always very much appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me of the area. Thanks very much. A couple years ago, I had also stated that I was looking for a town that through word of mouth from my great-grandfather, to his daughter, to my father is best prnounced by us as 'Sha-log-a". Honestly there are a few that have sounded similar enough, but after looking at Derrycooldrim on Google Maps, I see that Carrowsallagh is the small town right next to it, not far at all. I wonder if there would have been any reason for locals to drop the 'Carrow' when speaking of the township.

To push my luck Shane, and again you have been such a help in my research that I can't tell you how much I appreciate it, I have come across a town listed as "Brocea". I have seen variations like Brocca as well, but can't seem to find it. I believe it to be in Mayo and I believe my gggg grandfather operated a farm there from 1842 to about 1846. He took out loands with men with the surname Ryder and Cussack. His name was Ulick Lally. On Ancestry.com there are a number of typos to this name like even "Weird" Lally, but when you look at the actual penmanship, it is clearly Ulick and is transcribed wrong. His wife was named Mary (O'Malley) Lally. 

Do you know anything about a town called Brocea. I see a Brockagh in county Tyrone, but would have assumed he was closer to Mayo. County and either near Westport or Newport (both mentioned in the family bible). 

Thanks so very much for your effort on my family heritage.

Chrissy

chrissy_emerso…

Nevermine, I see it. Sloger, north of Westport. I've looked at this before and probably with you but I needed to get on google maps to see all the towns in relation to one another.

All set.

Thanks!

Chrissy

chrissy_emerso…

I would be careful with google maps when it comes to townlands and smaller land divisions in Ireland, it does not alway show these, and it’s easily confused by duplicate placenames… a common feature with Irish place names…

I think a much better place to check is the PlaceName database at www.logainm.ie , it shows most placename options, all over Ireland, and not just townlands, but also civil parishes, baronies, villages etc. It also shows a location map to you can see if the a placename is close to the area of interest, plus various alternate names (spellingsa) andalso the placename in Irlsh, which can be a great help.

I believe your suggestion re shortening a place name, e.g. Carrowsallagh to Sallagh is likely correct, I've seen similar cases on a number of occasions. In this case the placename database shows two results for Carrowsallagh in County Mayo - both shown as near Newport and Westport, a closer look at the results shows that one is a townland and the other is a river, there’s also a bridge noted with the same name . The name in Irish for the river is ‘Abhainn na Ceathrún Salaí’, so certainly seems possible that locals might refer to the area as Salaí/Sallagh or similar.

The location of the other place name you mentioned as “Brocea” would probably be Brockagh or similar in Ireland, but be careful when it comes to searching that on Google, as there are numerous townlands with that name or similar scattered all over Ireland, I would check whatever source you have for this placename, and check for any clues in the context, i.e. look for any other references included to registration district, parish, barony or nearby town to try and narrow down which Brockagh this might refer to.

The closest ‘Brockagh’ that I see to Newport  would be the one in Kilmaclasser civil parish - it’s not far to the south east of the town of Newport, see Brockagh townland, Kilmaclasser civil parish. If you click the option ‘View Text Records’ on the placename database entry ’you can see various alternate spellings for the townland - e.g. Brocka, Broca, Brocah etc, or 'An Bhrocach' in Irish.

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

I am researching a client's family in this area, the surname is Lunn. The Civil birth and death records show the name of this townland as Derehuldrim. 

tduncan@theatt…

I’m late to this but if Derrycooldrim is the right place then it may have been my relations that caused trouble for yours. I have been researching my tree and I can see that my O’ Donnells came from Derrycooldrim. Daniel O Donnell was married to Honor Chambers who I believe could be related to the Chambers in Derrycooldrim. I believe Daniel’s father was James. 
From 1857 to 1901 it looks like the hamlet grew quite a lot.

 

Rach.clarke3

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