Denis Murphy born about 1795

Colleen,

I found a Denis Murphy born in Bantry in 1795. The baptismal record was on the free site Irishgenealogy.

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If this is your Denis, his parents were John Murphy and Honora Hugh.

Regards- Mary

Colleen,

Some thoughts-

On Ancestry, most of the trees show Daniel's father as Daniel. Is this your Daniel?

Australia Death Index

Name	Daniel Murphy
Death Date	1858
Death Place	Maitland, New South Wales
Registration Date	1858
Registration Place	Maitland, Australia
Father	Daniel
Registration Number	4067

 

The Daniel from the trees, wife was Ellen Bourke.

One of their children

Name	Sarah Murphy
Baptism Age	0
Event Type	Baptism
Birth Date	1836
Baptism Date	11 Oct 1836
Baptism Place	Ballycahill and Holy-Cross, Tipperary, Ireland
Parish Variants	Ballycahill, Ballycahill and Holycross, Holycross
Diocese	Cashel and Emly
Father	Daniel Murphy
Mother	Ellen Bourke

 

 

Most of the trees show Frances Donegan as mother.  When Daniel and his family left Ireland, they were leaving from Rossmore, County Tipperary. It doesn't mean he was born there.

Concern if his father was truly born in 1795, he would have been only 12 when Daniel was born.

 

Name	Daniel Murphy
Baptism Age	0
Event Type	Baptism
Birth Date	1807
Baptism Date	9 Nov 1807
Baptism Place	St Finbarr's (South), Cork city, Cork, Ireland
Residence Place	Sm Street
Parish Variants	Christ Church, Christchurch, South, South , Cork, St. Finbarr's South, Cork, St. Finbarr's Sth, Cork, St. John of Jerusalem, St. Nicholas
Diocese	Cork and Ross
Father	Dan Murphy
Mother	Frances Donegae

 

Regards- Mary

Thank you Mary,  on Daniel's immigration record he named his father Denis.  But as you said most people have his father as Daniel.  So I am very confused and don't know.  Do you think it is Denis or Daniel.

Colleen.

Mary as you said Denis would of been too young to be Daniel's father so maybe it is Daniel.  Also on Daniel's headstone in New South Wales it states he was from Rossmore, Parish of Clonoulty, County of Tipperary. He had several daughters but none he named Francis after his mother which I find strange as I know the Irish always named their children after parents grandparents etc. So all this is very confusing for me. Immigration records state he and his wife left Ireland from Limerick. 

Colleen

Hi Mary,  this is the immigrant form for Daniel Murphy.  I have been trying to read the native of ? County Tipperary.  Can you tell me what that place is because I can't read it.  Also can you see he says he is son of Denis. It looks like Denis but others in ancestry have Daniel as you said.

Colleen,

I think you know Ancestry shows the town as Rossmore. I would have difficulty transcribing from the record above. His headstone does not identify Rossmore, only Clonoulty. It is too bad his father's name is lost between the pages. It could be Denis. The 'a' in farmer is different. Did he name one of his sons Denis or Daniel?

Name	Daniel Murphy
Birth Year	abt 1811
Age	28
Gender	Male
Arrival Date	8 Jan 1839
Vessel Name	Charles Kerr
Origin Location	Rossmore, County Tipperary, Ireland
Children's Names	Michael Ryan, Mary Ryan, Neicete Ellen Ryan, Murphy Ryan

 

Have you found a Daniel, born to Denis, birth record?

Regards- Mary

 

Hi Mary,  I have not found a Daniel born to Denis only the form below which is a print version of his written immigration form.

Thanks again for your help.

Colleen

Colleen,

Curious. Why are you investigating a Denis/ Daniel from Cork? Your paperwork seems to lead that your Daniel's father might be from Tipperary. How do you know he was born/ died in Cork?

Regards- Mary

Hi Mary, I thought that Denis was Daniel's father because it was the only one that seem to fit seeing Denis was the name on his immigration form. And being from Australia, Ireland seems so small I just thought all these places over there seem so close I thought it was a possibility.  So now it seems that his father might be Daniel after all. The Daniel that everyone else has in ancestry. I think I will be doing a lot of deleting from ancestry as I don't know where to go from here.

Many thanks.

 

Colleen,

My question was how do you know Daniel/ Denis actually came from Cork or that his son Daniel is from there? I have not found any records on the Ancestry trees that support this, other than the birth record above, but how do they know they identified the right Daniel? Before you delete your tree, I would contact some of the owners of the trees and ask why they think Daniel's father's name is Daniel? I am sure it is because of Daniel's death record. Also based on the name Denis, as father, on the immigration paper and Rossmore, Tipperary being identified where he is from, why do they locate him in Cork?

I would think Daniel would have known his father's name and where he was living when he filled out the immigration papers. That said, if someone was filling out the form for him, they may have made a mistake. or Daniel's family in Australia might have made a mistake on the death record.

Regards- Mary

 

Hi Mary,  I don't know where Daniel's father came from. Somewhere in ancestry I found out that Daniel came from the same place as his father so I guess that is Rossmore. I do think his very young children could of made mistakes. They were left as orphans and raised by the oldest brother who was also young.

Honestly I don't think the other people are correct with the father being Daniel as I said before there are no children or grandchildren in the Murphy tree named Frances.

As for other people in ancestry I have tried to contact lots of people on there and a few are helpful but I have found that most don't even bother to reply to me.

I am grateful for your help.

Colleen