Patricia,

Delia is a nickname for Bridget. On the paid site, Roots Ireland, there is this record: (I am not sure why it is not coming up on the free site irishgenealogy.ie)

Bridget Quinn, 6 Jun 1887, residence - Arran, RC parish of Kilcolgan/Ballindereen, Galway, parents - Michael Quinn & Bridget Shaughnessy, sponsors - Peter Flaherty & Bridget Flaherty

This couple also had the following children: Mary (1880), John (1883), and Martin (1884). Keep in mind that immigration birth records and subsequent US census records do not always agree with the primary source birth records in Ireland.

Attached is the marriage record for Michael and Bridget which gives their father's names.

Regards,

Patricia,

To add to the information Carolyn provided above.

Per the 1901 census, Michael and Bridget had an additional daughter in abt. 1890, Hanoria.

Per RootsIreland (paid subscription) Bridget Shaughnessy Quinn married again on February 16, 1892, to Partick Clasby in Kilgolgan, Ballindereen, Galway.

Per Irishgenealogy (free website) Welcome to Irish Genealogy - Irish Genealogy a Michael Quinn died in 1890 at age 46 in Mulrook, Arran, Gort, Galway. Maybe yours? 4744705.pdf

In 1901 Bridget was living with her mother and stepfather, a farmer.

Regards- Mary

Per Irishgenealogy and RootsIreland, Patrick Clasby died in 1903, age 45. Bridget, your Bridget's mother, was on the 1911 census, identified as a widow.

Regards- Mary

This is a little confusing.

I found this in the 1901 census.

Father - Michael

Mother - Margaret

Children

James

Patrick

Delia (age 12)

Kate

William

John

I know that she had a sister named Kate.

Residence is listed as house 2.1 Cloneo, Woodford, Galway. I can find Clonco, but not Cloneo

I also know that she was married in New York on June 28, 1918 at the age of 28 which would put her birthday year at either 1889 or 1890. it lists her mother as Bridget Schanessy.

Her death certificate lists her date of birth as February 5, 1889

This is why I'm confused as to which records are accurate

Thank you so much for your help.

Pat McKernan

Pat,

I believe the 1901 census record that you posted is for a different family. The 1887 birth record for Bridget giving her mother as Bridget Shaughnessy agrees with her marriage record information. I think that the 1901 census record posted by Mary is correct....there she has a half sister named Kate. The US immigration, census and death records are very often off by five years either direction - older or younger, so they are not very reliable. In those days, people didn't remember their birth years or celebrate birthdays as we do today, so you have to give some leeway where years are concerned. Her date of birth on her death record is probably just a date she selected at some point, and she stuck with it. In my own genealogy research there are a surprising number of people born on January 1 and March 17....also dates easily recalled.

Regards,

Carolyn,

Thank you so much! How can I get access to her birth record?

Her date of birth was provided on her death record by her daughter, Kathleen but understand your issue that she may not have really known her birthdate.

I also have a copy of her marriage license in June 1918 which does not list her date of birth, but has her age as 28 which would correspond to a birthdate of September 1918. Are you looking at a different marriage record or think these differences can be due to he not really knowing her birthdate?

Sorry for all the questions

Pat McKernan

Hi Pat,

No problem....I'm happy to help. Her birth record should be in the civil records as I mentioned before, but it could be that her parents did not register her birth with the civil authorities. The information I gave you came from the paid site Roots Ireland that transcribed her record, but it is not an original document. I checked the NLI which has parish baptism records for the Kilcogan/Ballindereen (aka Drimacoo, Killeenvara, Drumacoo) parish, and the NLI has only transcribed baptisms from 12 Nov 1854 to 21 Jul 1881. So, one cannot even see the register page for her. Also, the residence given as "Arran" isn't too helpful because I cannot find a town land with that name. It could be that it was a sub town land for another town or some nickname of a town. Interestingly, I looked for earlier Quinn births in the parish and found this....they are most likely related to your Quinns.

Bridget Quinn, baptized 3 Mar 1883, residence - "Aran", Kilcogan/Ballindereen, Galway, parents - Thomas Quinn & Julia Birmingham, sponsors - Michael Quinn & Mary Quinn. This Michael is probably Bridget's father....Michael, a sibling to Thomas and Mary. Just speculation though.

Regards,

I was looking at the ships manifest for Delia Quinn who listed her mother as Bridget Clasby. She was going to be staying with her sister Mary, who is not listed on the 1901 census. Another rabbit hole?

Pat,

Not a rabbit hole at all...her sister Mary (mentioned in my 6 Feb reply), born in 1880 was old enough to be employed elsewhere - possibly as a servant in someone else's home. A very common occurrence then. OR Mary could have emigrated before the 1901 census. You will note that her two brothers are not in that census record either. Just found Martin's death record in 1886 that I will attach.

Regards,

Pat,

I took a look at the ship's manifest that you mentioned that arrived Oct 1909 with Delia Quinn. Ship's name is the Celtic. I think there was some confusion about what the record says...she did not arrive with John Quinn and Thomas O'Donell, John is her father back in Ireland, and she is going to her uncle Thomas O'Donell in Baltimore. The "Mary" mentioned in the record is for the person below her on the manifest. I did not see any mention of her mother, Bridget Clasby on the manifest.

So, I do not think this is the record for your Bridget. What is the earliest record you have in the US for her? You might search the immigration records under Bridget instead of Delia.

One last thing...I am no longer confused about the town land name after seeing the 1901 census...Killeenarran is the "Arran".

Regards

Thanks for the reply. I learned a lot about ship's manifests and what is on them over the past week. Every time I think I'm getting it, I get confused again. My son wants to get his Irish citizenship and I'm concerned that the difference in birth dates between Delia's death record in the US and the birth record from Ireland may hinder this.

My Italian heritage is so much easier as I still have cousins in the village where my grandfather was born and they sent me a copy of his birth certificate. His birth date in the US was actually the date his birth was registered and his actual date of birth. It was only off by a few days. However, I'm having trouble finding his marriage license in the US. Such a puzzle!

omg! all this time I was looking at the death record for delia quinn in new york city!. I just realized my mistake and found the death record for her under her married name of Delia Rogers. Her death date was I even remember going to her funeral when my youngest was a baby

in 1980

Her birth date is listed as june 6 1887.

I can't thank you enough for your help.

Pat,

It is my understanding that to obtain Irish citizenship, a parent or grandparent must be born in Ireland. Further back, they generally are refused. All eight of my great grandparents were born in Ireland, and I am unable to get Irish citizenship. Is Delia your son's grandmother or great grandmother? Just an FYI, I have seen a few scams on the internet by lawyers in Ireland advertising that they can get one citizenship via a great grandparent...I wouldn't fall for them. BTW, my husband received his Italian citizenship as did all our children and grandchildren via his mother who, when she was born in the US in 1921, her father had not yet become a US citizen, so while she did not realize that she was an Italian citizen,or really care about that; my husband was thrilled that this enabled him to get it. Keep plugging away at your grandfather's marriage record. IF he renounced his citizenship prior to his children's birth though, all bets are off. His naturalization record, if he has one, should confirm the status of his citizenship, and then compare that to when his children were born.

Regards,

I had read that I could get irish citizenship because my husband's grandmother, Delia, was born in Ireland. I had assumed that if I got Irish citizenship then my son could also. My husband died several years ago without ever following up on getting his citizenship.

I was able to find my grandfather's marriage record. It was misfiled under the name Tompa instead of Pompa. I have not been able to find any naturalization records and have a case with the national archives to look for them.

Pat

Hi Pat,

Irish citizenship is via a bloodline, so you cannot get it if it's your husband's grandmother. Delia is your son's great grandmother, and that doesn't work unfortunately. Irish citizenship, unlike Italian citizenship does not get "passed down" to future generations.

Regards,