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Deaker John, Dublin Ireland

Hi, Im Jo & Im from New Zealand. Im trying to trace John Deaker my Mums fathers side of the family. John Deaker arrived in New Zealand in 1868 on the ship Omeo he lived in Naseby where he died in 1888. On his headstone reads John was born in country Dublin in 1839, his parents were Richard Deakers 1806-1837, MaryDeakers 1807 - 1876, John had a sister Elizabeth (Eliza) who married a John Hamilton, & a brother Joseph Deakers who married Elizabeth Donally, they came out to New Zealand later.

Johns parents are buried at St. Catherines Dublin.

I believe on Johns headstone his birth year is incorrect, I believe he was born in 1836. I seem to have come to a dead end with confirming that Richard Deakers & Mary Deakers were his actual parents. Any help in linking John Deakers to Richard & Mary Deakers would be much appreciated.

Kind Regards

Jo

jrielly34@hotm…

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Hello Jo, I had a look at this site and could not find a baptism to suit and Dubin church records online are but did locate the two marriages you mention and you have the correct parents to me, I attach the information but you can look yourself anyway. https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/  Click on Church records and enter the names, you have to sign in but it is free, also Prostestant marriages or Church of Ireland marriages civil registration commenced in 1845 so you will in time be able to access the full civil cert also, the wife of Joseph is more commonly spelled here as Donnelly. 

Pre 1864 in general Irish records are dependent on church records prior to this so it is helpful  to mention religion, you may find some more information from trade directories for Dublin as the families appear to have been involved in business. There is also a Printers Museum in Dublin but not sure what records of those employed in Dublin they have. https://www.nationalprintmuseum.ie/ The library for genealogy in Dublin is https://www.dublincity.ie/pearse-street-library 

Church of Ireland library is here https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/genealogy A lot of their records were lost in the civil war of 1922 when the Public Records Office was hit by a shell. 

As I could not locate the baptisms for you family in the records above they may have been born elsewhere, the records for Dublin are fairly good. 

I looked in the Tithe Applottmentst and there is only one Deakers (s) in Queens County in 1829, this is now Laois. http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp 

In Griffiths Valuation in 1854 there is a Richard Deaker in Marlborough Street, this is in the city centre. There are only 9 Deaker names in it in total http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch 

Regards

Pat

 

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Pat

Thanks for replying.

I've still had not luck, but will continue searcing. John Deaker's grandfather was a Lambert Deakers, not a common name. Appearlanty John's father Richard Deakers was attacked and killed in 1837, unsure of the details.

I just need to piece together a link between John and his parents.

 

Regards

Joanne

 

jrielly34@hotm…

Jo, you reference to Lambert Deakers made me look over records on Roots Ireland, there was or possibly is a thing were if the marriage was between two improtant families or maybe the wifes family was important or higher ranked so to speak the wifes surname was included, so at one point a Lambert married a Deaker, I have found a marriage of a Lambert Daker (assume transcription error in Laois (then Queens County) on 24 September 1824 a Lambert Daker married an Elizabeth Campion in Aghaboe parish they were Roman Catholic aesses nd his address is Borris and the 2 witnesses are John & Mary Campion. 

I searched a bit more and was surprised to find another marriage in 1794 on the 4th July again an RC marriage in Aghaboe in Laois (say leash) and Honor Bruder is the bride, think Bruder is probably Broderick now but that is just that in another life I went out with a Broderick lady and she always told me she was of the Bruder clan. It is unusual to find Irish Catholic records at that remove as the penal laws were about. The witnesses were Kyran Gorman and Michael Phelan. 

Civil parishes and townlands are here https://www.townlands.ie/ and if you are locked down and need to drive yourself mad the parish records are here and you can search under year and month and then try to read, https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0966 

The surname is so unusual that this shoud be the same family, you could try writing or mailing the library in Portlaois, I know they are closed currently but may be working remotely, also there is probably a private Facebook page for Laois genealogy, there appears to be one for every county but while well managed the information can be limited. 

I see one baptism in 1798 of a John Dakers to John Dakers and Catherine Drennan in the same parish, no other baptisms turn up under Dakers address is Rathandrick. I was see 3 Lambert births between in neighouring Offaly but it means little as there are others in neighbouring counties.

Good Luck

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Jo the subscription site British Newspaper Archive may have the papers or Find My Past has a lot of Irish papers, you may find some reference to it in the library archives but I am not familiar with the Laois library site. 

Good Luck

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

HI Jo its Bronwyn here- we are also Deakers of NZ and I've visted 22 prussia st Dunbin where Joseph Deaker and Elizabeth Donnelly lived (its tiny!) actually with John Hamiton if I rememebr the tenacy agreement correctly- back in 2017 i'd been looking for the boat details so would love to swop notes- I have to dig out the family files I jsut came across your post searching for ship passenger lists and I am not quite sure how this message board works so apologies if you get my message twice but it would be great if we could direct message - does this let us do this (we  Deakers on mum's side from Central) Bronnie 

Bronwyn Hayward

PS I have the Richard Deaker links now I am trying to think where I have put them all!!!

Bronwyn Hayward

Hi Bronwyn, 

I’m not sure how to send a private message on here, I’ve looked & cannot seem to find how to do this. I’m recently new on here.

If you would like to give me your email address, once I have it, you could then delete your post so your email address doesn’t appear. This is the only way I can think of. Let me know what you think. Thanks 

 

jrielly34@hotm…

Hi Jo And Bronwyn:)

I have a Direct Line of D'Acre(Deaker) from Around Mountrath in Laois (French Refugees)  Apparently according to an Old Family bible Written in French   My ggggrandfather William D'Acre Began Weaving Business in Mountrath But need Proof re that

My D'acre (Deaker) Lot moved to Dublin where they were Wine Merchants And Bakers   Ive heard of the Lambert Deaker lot and of Some going to NZ  Im wondering if we researching Same Family Or Different ones

Looking forward to hearing from you

Regards

Cathy:)

cathy carley

Hi Ladies, if you want to email each other I can put ye in touch if you use my site email to contact it will stop any need to put it in an open forum. My mail is stpeters@irelandxo.com 

There was a settlement of Hugenots in the Portarlngton area I usnderstand. You shold contact the Laois Library for info if they are not on lockdown currently and try adding to our Chronicles section.

The library may have a history contact locally too.

Enjoy

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Dear Pat and Jo (and Cathy!) thanks so much for offering to  connect us Pat -I've just emailed you and appreciate that very much- Bronwyn

Bronwyn Hayward

Hi Jo, I had heard from Bronwyn & Cathy and we had a brief exchange of mails, in the subsequent discussion I searched the Registry of Deeds Project (in the early 1700s it became possible but not compulsory to register land in Ireland), I done a search on the site and see a Lambert Deaker was the registered owner of land in Laois (Queens) in 1724, shows they were there then if you want to have a look, think if it was me I would be fairly certain it was my lot with such an unusual name, see https://irishdeedsindex.net/index.php 

Good Luck

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Pat Jo And Bronwyn

So this Lambert Deaker Connects to Our William D'Acre  From Mountrath and Williams Son John D'acre(Deaker) ? 

Thanks

regards

cathy:)

cathy carley

Hi Pat,

Thank you for the link, unsure if this Lambert Deaker is the correct person.

The Lambert Deaker I'm looking for is Buried at St Catherine's Church, Dublin Ireland on the headstone it has his birth year 1780 - 1840, his wife Elizabeth also burried with him 1786 - 1846. They had a son Richard who is also burried with his parents 1810-1837, Richard Deaker's wife was a Mary not sure of maiden surname, appearantly Mary was left with three young children, Joseph, Elizabeth, & John. It's John whom I'm trying to connect to his parents. 

I know John Deaker came out on the Omeo, it stated his parents as Richard & Mary, John lived in Naseby, Otago, New Zealand, he was a miner. He is burried at the Naseby Cemetery.  

 

Regards

Jo

jrielly34@hotm…

Hi Cathy,

It's possible we could be searching for the same Deakers, William D'Acres is said to have introduced silk spinning to Mountrath, Queens Country in Ireland, apparently ten years before a massacre occurred.

He is said to be the son of Lambert Deakers

Richard Deakers m Jane Reyonlds - Their son Lambert was born at Blair Atholl, Perth Scotland on 29/9/1755

John & Sarah Deakers with sons Lambert & Robert lived at Rahandrick, Queen's Country in 1719

Lambert was in the same place in 1728 at Disert, Queen's Country in 1743.

I'm not sure if this information would be useful.

 

Regards

Jo

jrielly34@hotm…

Hello Ladies, I assume that is you Cathy on Rootsweb Chat in 2011, also there is another Deaker query on this site from 2013, Richard Deaker married Ellen Mulholland, also this subscription site has some bit about Dacre all in Laois,https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=Dacres 

It appears from a very basic search there was a Lord Dacre in Fermanagh / Monaghan area and maybe in Queens County (Laois now) also a bit in the peerage sites, I did address ye as ladies just in case we discover a title anywhere.http://irishheraldry.blogspot.com/2017/07/heraldry-on-clones-market-house-lennard.html

The libraries have reopened and I recommend an email to them to see if there is any record of a silk works etc, https://laois.ie/departments/libraries/ There is an email at the bottom of the page. 

I understand there is a Laois genealogy Facebook page and may be a history one too.

Good Luck

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Jo and Pat

Thanks for your Replies and info   I do have a Tree on Ancestry Called Carley And Clendinnen Where u will find the Deaker/D'Acre Lot im Researching in Ireland   I know some of the Descendants of this Line went to NZ

William D'acres Wife Alice Apparently Married Twice after William D'Acre Died circa 1815    Alice Apparently First Married a Man by the surname of Charles  Then Married a Man with surname of Knaggs

I thought my lot Were church of Ireland/Wesleyan But not Really sure on that either

Charlotte Elizabeth Deaker  Daughter of William Deaker and Sarah Sterling Married a James William Levis  Some of their Descendants including a Margaret Deaker Levis Went to NZ   She died 22 July 1928 and apparently is buried at Te Puke Cemetary Bay of Islands She married a John Edward Banks in NZ in 1918

Jo does any of this sound familiar to u??

Thanks for all your Help too Pat    Cheers and your links   Will follow them up as apparently according to an old Deaker/D;acre bile our william D'acre had something to do with setting up Weving mills in Mountrath

Regards

Cathy:)

cathy carley

Hi Cathy, 

Unfortunately this information does not seem familiar. The Bay if Islands is in the north Island of New Zealand. The Deakers that I’m tracing came to the South Island of NZ. Central Otago & Dunedin.

Sorry I cannot be of more help. 

The lambert name was carried on eventually used as a middle name, another name passed through was Robert Knox, Knox also used as a middle name, maybe from the wives side. 

jrielly34@hotm…

Hi Jo and Pat

Just received an email from Ireland re My William D'Acre   

Staff Officer

Local Studies

Laois Library Services

Dear Cathy,

 

I have searched our resources here, but could not find a reference to William D’Acre. Do you know if the family were Huguenots? A large number of Huguenots settled in Laois in the town of Portarlington from the 1600s. Mountrath is another town in Laois, but it is more associated with Quakers. Mountrath and Mountmellick were the main manufacturing towns in Laois in the late 1700s and early 1800s. Mountmellick was particularly associated with the textile industry. It is possible that your ancestor arrived in Portarlington and later relocated to Mountrath for economic reasons or marriage. I couldn’t find any reference in our localhistory publications or local newspapers of silk manufacturing in Mountrath. However, I did read an article on the silk industry of Ireland, which mentioned that a member of the Pim family from Mountrath was connected to silk manufacturing. The Pims were a prominent Quaker family in Laois. It is possible that your ancestor was engaged by this family to establish silk weaving in the area. The Quakers were very involved in the textile industry in Laois, particularly in Mountmellick, but they probably didn’t have the experience of silk manufacturing, as many of the Huguenot families had

 

More Confusion?? According to this Family bible William D'Acre Had something to do with Weaving mills in Mountrath

This is what i Got sent

William Dacre of Mountrath Queen's County was a French Refugee, and introduced the spinning business to that town
His wife Alice was married three times 
1st to the above Wm Dacre-
issues John Dacre 
WD died about the birth time of his son John Dacre.
Her second husband was a Mr Charles
Her third husband was a Mr Knaggs (grand) father by her of James Knaggs - father of the wife of WH Baskin

 

So Wondering Were your Deakers/D'Acres  Quakers  ?

William D'Acres Son John was born circa 1762  Married Lydia Margaret Steele Her Father was Richard Steele   Lydias Brother Richard Steele went to Grenada West Indies  Had a Large family there

This D'acre Family is one of My Brick Walls in ireland

Regards

cathy:)

 

 

 

cathy carley

Hi Pat and Jo

I have picked up a Small DNA Match with someone on Ancestry who has Robert Knox Deaker

I did my Dna thru Ancestry and FTDNA My family also did theres thru FTDNA and our results are on Gedmatch and My Heritage

Regards

cathy:)

cathy carley

Hi Cathy,

There certainly a Robert Knox on our side of the family tree. 

I believe Knox was surname of one of the wives either Mary or Elizabeth, I cannot find when either got married.    

I’ve only been far back as Lambert Deakers & his wife Elizabeth. I know their son Richard who was born 1806 was attacked & of those injuries he died (this was in Dublin) Richard’s wife Mary was left with three young children. I’m not sure what happened after that. The three children were Eliza, Joseph & John, it’s John who I’m trying to find any information that I can link to his parents,  On Johns headstone it has him born 1839, we believe this date is incorrect as on the headstone of his fathers his father died in 1837.

Names that had been passed down was lambert & Knox.

other names Elizabeth, Mary, Richard, John, Joseph, Robert  seem to carry on through generations.

Deakers are certainly a difficult family to find information on. I hope when I get on to my Rielly side it will be easier.

Regards

Jo      

jrielly34@hotm…

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