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Daniel McANENEY and Catherine MACKLE

Hello

I have got myself very confused with the place name for the McANENEY family I am tracing.

The best evidence I have (I think??) is that there is a golden wedding announcement in a 1908 New Zealand newspaper that states that Daniel McANENEY and Catherine MACKLE married on the 23 Sept 1858 in the Catholic Church, College Land by the Rev Father McKIE, that Daniel was the eldest son of Daniel McANENEY and Catherine the only daughter of John MACKLE, both of the County Armagh, Ireland.

The other information I have is from Daniel's New Zealand death certificate. He died on the 23 Jan 1909 aged 73. The certificate also states he was born in Armagh and his parents are Daniel McANENEY and Ann McANENEY formerly McG ------  (very hard to read but looks like McGary or something similar).

Are you able to help me establish where this McANENEY family lived in Ireland?

 

Thank you Rose.

 

 

 

 

 

foggykiwi

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Rose,

I searched the Catholic parish records on Ancestry for Daniel & Ann’s marriage, Daniel juniors baptism and that of any possible siblings. Without success. Part of the problem is probably that the family comes from a parish in Armagh that doesn’t have any records for the 1830s. That’s a quite common problem.

Death registration started in 1864. I searched for likely parents deaths in Armagh 1864 onwards but again without success. 

The only likely John Mackle death (in terms of location, age & marital status) in Armagh was for this man, a farmer in Derrinraw:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06520/4878469.pdf

That’s in the RC parish of Loughgall & Tartaraghan. Their records start in 1835. I don’t see a baptism for Catherine in them.

There were several Mackle families in that townland in the 1901 census, including one mistranscribed as Mockle.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Tartaraghan/Der…

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hello Elwyn

 

Thank you for your reply and the information you supplied.

 

You have confirmed what I have, or rather what I haven't found for the surname McANENEY and MACKLE.

Would their county be Amargh?

 

I have noticed on google maps that there are businesses around the same area of the College Land Church by the name of MACKLE but

have not been able to find a contact.

 

Appreciate your time and will keep plodding along, maybe one day.

 

Rose

foggykiwi

Rose,

I assumed you knew where Collegeland was.  Perhaps I should have been clearer.  Collegeland is a place in Co. Armagh, so named because it used to belong to Trinity College, Dublin (Ireland’s oldest university):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegeland,_County_Armagh

The RC parish is Loughgall. There is a gap in their marriages between 1854 and 1860, so there are no records for September 1858 when Daniel & Catherine apparently married. Their records can be found on this site:

http://www.nli.ie

You will see that Collegeland was partially in the townlands of Aghinlig & Keenaghan. (There’s a College Hall in Keenaghan on the maps on Griffiths Valuation).  Collegeland today is around the B28 Collegeland Rd, just outside the village of Charlemont. There is an RC church there (St Peter’s). So that’s presumably where your ancestors married. That doesn’t tell us where they lived but tradition was to marry in the bride’s church so she almost certainly came from within that parish, and her husband may well have done so too.  Here’s a link to the parish Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/loughgallparish/posts/1161020357432228

Looking at Griffiths Valuation for 1864 I can see a Peter Mackall and a Terence Mackall in Aghinlig just near the church. (Mackall is obviously just another way of spelling Mackle).  So no shortage of Mackles in that area.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

Terence died in 1892, aged 59. 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06038/4719757.pdf

Peter died in 1881, aged 84:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06442/4851043.pdf

An issue you will likely find if contacting people in the area today is that few families would know much about ancestors who left Ireland around 1858. Most can go back about 3 generations, so to say 1900 if you are lucky. After that it usually gets a bit hazy.  But good luck anyway.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

There are still Mackle's in Collegeland (and Mackle descendants now with other names), descendants of the Peter Mackle, died 1881, mentioned in the earlier posts (I used to live there).

Have you looked at the Catholic Parish Records for Loughall (the name of the parish)? There is a gap for marriages including 1858, but there may be baptismal records available for Catherine (or, for other children of her parents).The problem is that the clergy seemingly changed the ink they used at times- some records are very clear, others indecipherable. The website is 

 https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0227

The other thing is that there is also a family called McGeary living in Collegeland, virtually next door to some of the farms owned by Mackle descendants, could this be the name of Daniel's mother? The slightly unusual spelling may be why you haven't been able to fully read the name.

If you are looking up the civil birth, marriage, death records for the family on the Irish Genealogy website, focus in those mentioning the townlands Aghinlig, Keenaghan, or the nearby village Charlemont. 
 

Another option, try one of the commercial genealogy/ family history sites such as Ancestry. It may be something to do with social restrictions due to Covid in the UK and Ireland, but there does seem to be an increase in people from these areas getting their DNA checked and researching their family history. Odds are, you'll find a 'hit' for at least some of the names you've mentioned, that could help both you and them delve back further

Maureen

 

 

 

 

MaureenN

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