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Tyring to trace a family of Roger/Rowley Cummins who married Bridget Prentergust in 1839 . Childen Edward, Mary Catherine, Michael and Johanna. They came to Melbourne in 1853. Roger disappeared around 1860 and Michael around 1875 but the other members of the family stayed.Roger had a sister Mary who also came to Australia on her death cert. it lists parents of Roger and Mary as Michael andMary Flynn, not surehow reliable that is. So far have not been able to trace any records of births of the family or Marriage as not sure where they were living but Kilkenny is listed on some certificates.

Sue Kemp

Melbourne Victoria.

susan

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Sue:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I located the 1834 marriage record in Gowran RC parish in Co. Kilkenny. See transcription below. Also located the baptismal records for Edmund and Catherine but Michael and Johanna did not come up. Here is a link to the parish register for Gowran/Clara parish http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0978  I would search the register for the other two records.I also located an 1803 baptismal record for a Roger Cummins in Clara. The father was shown as Michael but the mother was Mary Sharp.

Looks like the family lived in Gowran which is in northeast Kilkenny not far from the Co. Carlow border.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Roger McDonnell

 

Date of Marriage:20-Nov-1834
Parish / District:GOWRAN
County:Co. Kilkenny
Husband RogerCommons Address Gowran
Wife BridgetPrendergast
Roman CatholicWitness 1
Name:DenisClooney
Witness 2 MargaretFogarty

Name:Edmund CumminsDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:01-Dec-1836Address:GoramParish/District:GOWRANGender:MaleCountyCo. Kilkenny
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Roger CumminsMother:Bridget PrendergastOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Michael MullinsSponsor 2 /

Name:Mary CumminsDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:28-Jul-1840Address:GowranParish/District:GOWRANGender:FemaleCountyCo. Kilkenny
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Roger CumminsMother:Bridget PrendergastOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:James MurrySponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Judith Ryan
Informant 2:Judith Tracy

Name:Roger CumminsDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:11-Jul-1803Address:Not RecordedParish/District:CLARAGender:MaleCountyCo. Kilkenny
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Michael CumminsMother:Mary SharpOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John RyanSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Bridget Farrell

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Is there any way I could trace a person coming back to Ireland from Australia? Roger Cummins disappears from all records after 1860 and his son disappears 1878, with a newspaper article stating he has left the coloney, where nobody knows. 

susan

Sue:

You won't find any ship records coming into Ireland that I'm aware of. There are no Roger Cummins civil death index records in Ireland. There are many Michael Cummins index records (more common first name) so I would not know where to start.

Roger

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Thank You for your help

susan

I found a Catherine Commons on the 1850 Griffiths Valuation allot. no. 10, Gowran, Kilkenny. I was wondering how I could find out any more information about her. A Roger Commins was also mentioned in the same area as Catherine, they are most likely related but do not how to search this. Also trying to find out more about Michael Comins and his wofe Mary Sharp who were married in 1786 Clara Kilkenny, thier son Edmund was born 1788 Clara then cannot find anything until their next child Roger Cummins born 1803 Gowran, Kilkenny. That's a gap of fifteen years, where would they have gone, any suggestions. I don't know much about Irish history, was there any major event between those dates to make families move?

 

susan

Susan:

According to this register for Gowran https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0978  Clara and Gowran were the same parish until 1852. I think the gap of 15 years is likely the result no records available in the 1790s for that parish.

Catherine Commins was most likely a widow and possibly a brother in law to Roger . I tried to look for a marriage in either Gowran or Clara of a Commins to a Catherine but got no record.

The Griffiths does not provide any other relationship info kust land info.

Roger

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