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Clugston, Antrim

Interestingly, I am connected to the parish of Newtownhamilton, County Armagh, looking for the Clugston family. I just found this old post from 29-Aug-15 connecting Clugstons to County Antrim as well. (I am also connected to the parish of Ahoghill in Country Antrim for the Arthur and Young families.

I note that these two areas are not that far away from each other and in the scheme of things, perhaps my Clugstons started out in Antrim and moved on to Armagh - just another avenue to investigate. My Clugstons also include similar names. Robert (b1830), Samuel (b1837) and Jane (b1847) - all children of Thomas Clugston (c1810-c1872) and Jane Martin. The siblings all left Newtownhamilton for Australia in 1858 and ended up as pioneers of the newly cleared farming areas on the South Coast of NSW. At some stage I found that Thomas Clugston may have been the son of Robert Clugston (c1780) - but not sure where I found it, so can't confirm at this stage.

Interestingly I note that one of the Antrim Clugstons married an Antrim Young - and I think they ended up in America or Canada. (My Antrim Arthur married an Antrim Young.) I am wondering if way back then there was a family connection for me. In Australia, the Clugstons and the Arthur/Young families became connected when my mother, the Great Granddaughter of John Arthur of Ahoghill, Antrim, married my father, the Great Grandson of Samuel Clugston of Newtownhamilton, Armagh. It is a small world - or maybe just an ancestry co-incidence!

I am also looking for a Scottish connection for all three families, as I believe they may all have been Scottish Presbyterian farmers who came to Ireland in the 16 or 1700s.

Kathy L

Newcastle NSW Australia

Katy53Did

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Statutory birth registration only started in Ireland in 1864, and marriage registration in 1845, so you won’t find birth certificates for the children nor a marriage certificate for the parents. Prior to that you need to rely on church baptism & marriage records, where they survive.  Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church, after which she’d attend her husband, so the marriage and subsequent children’s baptisms are not always in the same church.

For Newtownhamilton, the early Church of Ireland records are destroyed. If the family was Presbyterian then Clarebridge has baptisms from 1822 and marriages from 1845; 1st Newtownhamilton Presbyterian has baptisms and marriages from 1833; 2nd Newtownhamilton has them from 1823. There’s a copy of the Clarebridge and Newtonhamilton 2nd records in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast, but for the 1st church, the only copy is still held by the Minister. None of these records is on-line and so to view them you either need to go to PRONI and for the 1st you have to contact the Minister. If you google them you should get the details.

Looking at the 1901 census for Ireland, there are 178 people named Clugston.  Most were in Counties Down & Antrim. The vast majority were Presbyterian or Reformed Presbyterian, so that and the location ie the counties of Ulster points strongly to them being descendants of Scots who settled in Ireland in the 1600s. Some 100,000 Scots came to Ireland that century, representing about 10% of the entire Scottish population. The majority of the population in counties Down and Antrim are of Scottish origin, and Presbyterianism is the most common denomination there, even today. There are no records of those migrants in the 1600s, save for a handful of big landowners, whose origins in Scotland we do know.

I looked at the Muster Rolls for Co. Armagh in 1630. There were no Clugstons in the county then, so your family appear to have arrived after that. The only person of the name at the time in Ulster was a James Cloughston of Clandeboye in Down, so unless they are all descended from that one man (which strikes me as unlikely) then the migration of Clugstons post-dates that period. A lot of Scots settled in Ireland in the 1640s when General Munro’s 10,000 strong Scottish army at Carrickfergus was disbanded (and a lot of those settled around Ahoghill) but the other big migration was in the 1690s due to famine in Scotland. After 1718, Scots were starting to leave Ireland again, due to dis-satisfaction with aspect of their lives, so I'd place your family's arrival in the 1600s rather than the 1700s, based on the general trends.

Looking at the 1901 Scottish census, there were 90 people named Clugston there. Mostly spread across Lanarkshire and the southern part of Scotland, counties like Ayrshire & Dumfries. That's where most of the other Scots settlers in Ireland came from too, so no surprises there.  So that’s probably the likely area where your family may have originated. You would need DNA testing to find out though as there are no paper records in Scotland or Ireland to assist you.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you so much, Elwyn.

I hope you get lots of appreciation notes for the work you do!  I certainly appreciate it.  You are an absolute fount of knowledge!

Your reply is so very helpful to me.

Thanks for taking the time to reply so quickly.

Kind regards

Kathy

Katy53Did

Hi i think we may be on looking for the same thing. my grandfarther was a clugston who married a burton whos sister married into the young family. who ended up living in canada along with that we also have family in austrilia and are from co antrim and down. i dont know if these are connected or just a fluke.

 

 

Laurel Tree Cars

Hello. I'm also researching Clugstons in County Antrim.  Rev. Josias Clugston was a well known minister in Larne. He served at the Presbyterian church there from 1717 to 1775. His brother was Henry Clugston, who owned an inn in Newry, County Down, called "The Jolly Sailor".  Henry Clugston died about 1735 and left a young son who was deaf, George Clugston. I am trying to find out if young George went to Larne to live with his Uncle Josias after his father's death.  Did he marry? Did he have children?  My immigrant (to the US) ancestor may be one of George's children. George Clugston was born between 1722 and 1731. He was mentioned in a court case in 1773, so was alive at least until then.

The records of Larne's Presbyterian church are not online. PRONI has some years, but I hear its not open because of COVID. I live in the US. Does anyone have an idea where I could find clues about the George's possible marriage and children?  Any suggestion is much appreciated.

I would like to pass along something that could help other Clugston researchers. Don Clugston, Clugston name project administrator at Family Tree DNA, has great information about the Clugston Family.  He blogs on Wordpress.com. Look for "Clugston Family Tree".  The information I gave above is from Don Clugston's research.  

Thank you for reading this,

Kathryn B

 

Kathrynbarber0…

KathrynB,

I can confirm that PRONI is closed at present with no date for re-opening. I would expect it to remain shut for several more months as all public buildings are closed due to Covid.

These are the records that exist for Larne Presbyterian church in the 1700s (and later years).  Where there are gaps it's because records were either never kept or have been lost over the years. The Presbyterian church in Ireland and Scotland had several schisms and reunifications in the 1700s and 1800s but the practical implication is that the Presbyterian records for Larne in the 1700s are held by what is now called the Non Subscribing Church (sometimes called Unitarian).  Details from the PRONI catalogue:

Larne  NSP 

Baptisms, 1720-69, 1796, 1801-03 and 1826-1929; marriages, 1721-69 and 1826-1908; session minutes, 1720-48, 1800-01 and 1828-30; session and committee minutes, 1864-1929; discipline cases, 1721-49; poor accounts, 1720-57.

I searched a newspaper subscription site for mention of George Clugston in the 1700s but without success. Likewise he isn’t in PRONI’s e-catalogue.

As far as finding any marriage for George, tradition was to marry in the bride’s church (after which she’d normally attend her husband’s). So you could find that any children he had may be in the above records but perhaps not his marriage (unless his bride happened to attend the same church). 

You wonder if there are any other records that might mention George.  If he was wealthy or a big landowner you might find him in the Registry of Deeds (their records are on the LDS site) but otherwise, given that he doesn’t seem to have made much impact in the newspapers, there aren’t probably many records that might mention him. Presbyterians generally didn’t keep burial records but he may have a gravestone in one of the cemeteries in Larne.

Research in Ireland in the 1700s is notoriously difficult due to the general lack of records, so you may find this fairly hard going, save perhaps for the church records. If you are unable to go to PRONI yourself, you could employ a researcher. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you, Elwynn, 

Your information is very helpful. I plan on working on several of the things you suggested and if COVID is still keeping PRONI closed after I follow up on those, I will contact a researcher.  Thank you for your time and expertise. 

Best Regards,

Kathryn B 

Kathrynbarber0…

Hi, I've been tracking George's family for years.

Kathryn B. Is correct Don Clugston's site is the most comprehensive site. I have been hunting for Elizabeth Cluxton, wife of John Spotswood. George's twin sister Elizabeth is a good candidate. Especially since George worked for Blackham the clockmaker etc. The Blackhams intermarried with my Wilson family in Newry.

I have developed a wacky hypothesis that John Spotswood had two women and took them to America where they joined the Mormons. The timeline hangs together pretty well and involves some fabulous anecdotes. The main difficulty is proving John Spotswood from Alston ever lived in Warrenpoint.

My Wilsons went to Adelaide with the Blackhams. I'm a bit reluctant to share on sites that share with no attribution. I have seen my photos on Ancestry and My Heritage. I'm all for sharing as long as it acknowledges all our hard work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

sushopping@mac.com

I'll vouch for Don Clugston's work as well.  It is so extensive regarding the Clugston family history.  Don is my cousin and is descended from the brother (Robert) of my 2 x Great-Grandfather, Samuel Clugston. The two brothers and their sister, Jane, went from Newtownhamilton, Newry, County Armagh to the Monaro district of the south coast of NSW, Australia as pioneer farmers.  Regards to all the Clugston descendants, Kathy.  (3 x Great-Granddaughter of Thomas and Jane Clugston, Co. Armagh, Ireland)

Katy53Did

 it's pretty cool you are directly related. Elizabeth Cluxton was my great grandmother's mother on my paternal tree if that makes any sense. It's just an easier name to research than Wilson!

 

sushopping@mac.com

Hello Kathy (and all),

I am also a direct descendant of Thomas Clugston and Jane Martin. They are my 2 x great grandparents. 
 

Unsure whether I’ll be able to add any information to your impressive research you’ve already shared, however I’m happy to compare notes if you or others here wish? 
 

Kindest regards, 

David K

(Melbourne, Vic)

david.kelly

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