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Campbell Family - Cranny near Fintona and Wilson Family Carnahinny Clogher

TyroneDonacavey (Tyrone)

My name is Barb Kennington (nee Todd) and I live in Western Australia. I am finding it difficult to trace My Great Grandmother - Margery Margaret Campbell (1827 Fintona - 1915 Braidwod, New South Wales) and her family from County Tyrone, Northern Ireland.

I know her parents were James Campbell (1809 Fintona - 1895 New South Wales) and Isabella Foster (1812 Tyrone Northern Ireland - 1861 - she died at sea on board the Hotspur enroute to Australi). On James Campbell's death certificate, it records Isabella Foster as being Margaret Foster, although that may be a mistake as there were many mistakes made in Australia in the early years.

James and Isabella Campbell were travelling with one of their daughters, Isabella (1833 Fintona - 1863 Braidwood, New South Wales), her husband William Wilson (1827 Carnahinny, Clogher, Tyrone, Northern Ireland - 1869 New South Wales) and their three children, James (1855 Fintona- 1918 New South Wales), Margery (1859 Fintona - 1861 New South Wales)and William (1860 Fintona - 1861,he died at sea as well).

According to Margery Margaret Campbell's shipping record in 1854, her parents James and Isabella Campbell lived at Cranny, near Fintona (I believe). This shipping record also noted she had a Cousin living at Wollongong, New South Wales.

In the Griffiths Valuation Records, I have been able to locate her father James Campbell living at Cranny in 1860 and an Ann Campbell who I think may be James' sister-in-law who was married to John Campbell, his brother. Both their records record Location 20 on the same map.

In the 1827 Tithe Applotment Register - there is a John Campbell registered for the location at Cranny. John Campbell and Margery Semphill (or Semple) are noted as James Campbell's parents on his death certificate and I believe this ties in the Campbell family as coming from Cranny near Fintona.

In relation to William Wilson, following the death of his first wife Isabella Campbell, he re-married Isabella Vance in New South Wales in 1864.Isabella Vance's mother's maiden name was Ann Wilson, and according to her Death Certificate, her father was John Wilson and her mother was Isabella Culwell (?). The Death Certificate records County Tyrone as her birthpace. So I am not sure ifWilliam and Ann are related.

I can only find an index record for the marriage of William Wilson and Isabella Campbell in December 1853 at Donacavey, Tyrone. It states his father's name was Robert Wilson. If there is an actual parish record, I would love a copy if possible.

If anyone has any information that can dispute or support my findings, I will be eternally grateful. I have also taken a DNA test (Autosomal) with Ancestry.com, and these results have been placed on GEDMATCH &FamilyTreeDNA with a view of finding more relatives.

Thank you for your time.

Barb Kennington (nee Todd)

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Miriam

Thank you so much for the information you have supplied.  I really appreciate all the detail you have supplied.  I now have a little more to go and explore.

 

Kind Regards

Barb

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Barb,

Adding to Miriam’s information regarding the 1853 marriage certificate you can view that original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

From 1845 onwards, all non RC marriages were recorded in the statutory marriage registers. The church got two books to maintain. The couple being married would sign both registers. The church kept one and the other was sent to the local Registrar, every quarter or so. Both should be identical. So if you want “the actual parish record” for a Church of Ireland marriage it’s on-line.

You have identified James and Ann Campbell in Cranny in Griffiths Valuation in 1860. There is a set of records that takes Griffiths forward, right up to about 1930. They are the Valuation Revision Records and those for Northern Ireland are on-line:

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni

They show Ann Campbell’s house was “down” c 1870, indicating it had collapsed or been demolished. Possibly she had died and the house abandoned. You might want to search the death records for her death around that time.

The Valuation Revision records list James Campbell still in Cranny till 1916 when he was deleted and the house noted as being of “no value.” (It had probably collapsed or become derelict). Now obviously James Campbell wasn’t there all that time but it looks as though some member of the Campbell family was (and the records just weren’t updated). Here’s a William born c 1830 and his wife Jane who were living there in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Fallaghearn/Cranny/1743211/

I’d suspect that he was related to James somehow. His son perhaps?

Fintona Church of Ireland records start in 1800. It might be worth checking them to see if the family is listed. There’s a copy in PRONI in Belfast.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you Elwyn - a bit more work for me to do - I love the research - it's rather fun.  I really appreciate your help.  Kind Regards

Barb

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Barb,

Minor news item in the Tyrone Constitution for 25.8.1882. Andrew Young of Cranny summoned William Campbell of same place for leaving his service. Case was heard at Fintona Petty Sessions. William was order to pay £1 compensation. (Presumably for breach of contract).

Same newspaper for 1.6.1877 reported a meeting of National School Teachers in Omagh. Over 200 attended, including a John Campbell from Cranny, Fintona.

Same newspaper for 11.1.1901 has an article on Cranny National School’s annual soiree. In passing it mentions that Mr Campbell the former teacher from the school was in the audience. This might be him in the 1901 census. He was RC and so might be from a different family to yours:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Camderry/Shanna…

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

I have a marriage certificate for Rose Campbell abt 1822-13 Jan 1879 and Michael Donnelly 1809-1891 dated 21 Sep 1845 in Clogher, Ireland in the diocese of Clogher. They are found in Lackagh, Fintona. Their daughter is Elizabeth Donnelly who married Patrick Mullan/Mullin 1880 in Donacavey, Fintona.

Donna Mullan

Apologies error on Rose Campbell death date it is meant to be 13 Jan 1897.

Donna Mullan

Noticed your maiden name as Todd. Wondering if Catherine Todd 1844-unknown is related to you? I have a marriage for Catherine Todd to Robert Bartley 1848-1911. Marriage Date 23 May 1869 in Donacavey, Fintona.

Donna Mullan

Donna

Thanks for the reply and information. 

I will have a further look at Rose Campbell and her connections.  I thank you very much for this lead.

I don't think this Catherine Todd is a relative - her father was a James Todd and she was a resident a Endnatoodry?? (if that's how you spell it).  It's also very strange there are TWO marriages records for Catherine and Robert.  Both the same date, but the second one I saw on the civil records website - civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11438/8201612.pdf - has Roberts surname as Barclay (his father was a dealer) whereas the other record has his surname as Bartley.  I thought that was a bit unusuall.

The record as stated they were Roman Catholic whereas our Todd Family were prodestants.

Kind Regards and Stay Safe

Barb

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