The Brumlow/Brumlough Family - Trying to find the line

Hi,

Do you know the name of James's wife? his children's names? his death date?

I saw two U.S. federal censuses for a James Brumlough, but both said he was born in Tennessee. That could just be an error. Or is it the wrong James?

About people 99 percent of the time lying about the fact that they were from Ireland... I have done genealogy for many years and have not yet found a person who did that.  Interesting that it was a genealogist who told you this!

I do have the family info of the wife and children. The census records that indicate TN are my James, but he and his children said on unofficial documentation that he was from Ireland. Also in different records the same James has Georgia as a birthplace and "at sea" as a birthplace. I believe he was trying to hide the fact he was Irish in official documentation. 

His wife's name was Nancy Ingram, His children were John, Mary, Icalene, Ersie, Ninna, George, and Theresa.

Paul,

Your family in the US is well documented on the Family Search website - as you probably know. The site shows another daughter, Effie Brumlow (1874-1900). When I put the name Brumlough in the paid site RootsIreland, it said that this name was not in their database. However, the Family Search site suggested this name could also be spelled Bromlow. With that name, I found a number of birth, marriage, and death records on the RootsIreland site from the early 1700's and on. There are too many to list here. There were other spelling variations - Brumloe, Brumlo, Brumlow, Broomlow, Bromlow. What they all seem to have in common is that they were from the Donnybrook parish in Dublin, and were members of the Church of Ireland. I did not find a birth record for your James though. 

Regards,

Is this the family in 1880?
United States Census, 1880; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYBL-XGQ?cc=1417683&wc=XWPG-C68%3A1589414125%2C1589399637%2C1589399801%2C1589395700

it says place of birth Georgia.

Can you send this please...........
a ship manifest from The Thornton in 1854

if from a paid site this is my email address....... I cannot find it.  I would e interested to see it. I have searched all the sites I know and cannot find him only in that 1880 census.
marg2ade@yahoo.co.uk

Margot,

The ship manifest was found both on Ancestry and at the free site Dunbrody Famine Ship Irish Emigration Database - Records of Irish immigrants in US (dunbrody.com) under Brumlough. The 1880 census does say Georgia, but the death records of the children state both TN and "At sea" and I believe one says Ireland. He was buried, according to family history, in Soddy Presbyterian Cemetery in an unmarked grave given to him by the Clift family who were fond of him and his work in Soddy. I am starting to think his brother who was a priest may not have been a Catholic priest but a Church of Ireland priest, if in fact they had priests (I'm not familiar with the structure of the Church of Ireland). 

Carolyn,

I think the name Brumlough must have come from the census taker hearing him say his last name and then writing it down the way they thought it sounded. From both the ship manifest and the 1880 census it seems he must have had an "Irish" sounding accent (since he spoke Irish as a first language) and they wrote it the best of their ability. At least that's what I think must have happened. I think this is where my brick wall lies is in the spelling of the last name. 

I was told by the genealogist in Ireland that the traditional way Irish immigrants named their children was to name the first-born son after the paternal grandfather, and the second-born son after the maternal grandfather. In that case, the first-born son was named John, which would mean the paternal grandfather or James' father's name was John. Their second son was named after his wife's father, George Ingram. I'm not sure what the rules of this system would be with daughters, but the first-born daughter was named Mary, and the second-born daughter was named Icalene. 

I truly believe that he must have been Irish himself, since he told his children he was from Ireland and that information was passed down through the years. Unfortunately that is the only solid piece of evidence that has survived by word of mouth. 

Paul,

There is an excellent article on this site called Irish Naming Conventions and Baptism Traditions from November 1, 2022 in the News section that you might enjoy. Yes, there was a pattern for daughters too...although not always followed as closely as sons....oldest daughter named after wife's mother, and second daughter named after husband's mother. From my own experience with all my great grandparents emigrating from Ireland, not all of them followed this pattern naming their US born children....just something to note. 

Regards,

I saw this yesterday..........1684, it doesn't say where in Ireland..........Brumlow.
I transcribed the details to the heading and left the original document number.
The only birth of Brumlow I found was this one a Pat (Patrick) see attached.
This Parish is on the south side of the River Liffey.
St. Audoen's Church, Dublin Map - Church - Dublin, Ireland - Mapcarta

Hope this helps.

Update to all those who have responded to this thread:

I know it is a long shot, and probably a dead end BUT, I used AI to help me find out what the possible Irish equivalent would be for Brumlow / Brumlough. It popped out ÓBrumloch, Ó Brúmloch, Ó Brúmlach, Ó Broimhleó, or Ó Broimhleóir as possible variations. Granted this is AI technology, and not the best option, but it does search the web and help with searching. I plugged these into Google and received no results.

Has anyone ever heard of these variations before? Is it even a thread worth untangling and going down this rabbit hole for?

Paul,

I to am a relative of James Brumlow. I did my genealogy in 2011 and the furthest I could reach was Jame’s mother in Ireland name was Nanny Brumlow or Brumbalow. I read somewhere my last name was brumbalow in Ireland but sometimes names are shortened or misspelled and it just sticks that way after arriving in America through the years. I got stuck on Nanny Brumbalow and found nothing else. I accidentally met someone from Waterford on PlayStation and he said one of his neighbors was a Brumlow or Brumbalow and told him of a story similar to James leaving to the US and settling in Dunlap, TN.

Adam,

I would love to hear more form you and would love for you to reach out to me on ancestry!

The Nancy Brumbalow you found is most likely not our relative. I was stuck on her for a long time as well but according to the records she moved out to the mid-west with her son James and never came back. He also never came back, so it cannot be our James. However, this person you were told about may be a descendent of one of James' brothers (one we may not know of) or related to us somehow. The fact that someone in Waterford has heard of the name, in my opinion, verifies that it is not some random surname, but one with ties to Ireland in some way.

I have updated the original post, and after research am hesitant about the ship manifest I originally posted. The two census records of James in the US have his DOB around 1847-1849. The ship manifest had it around 1833. I do not think the Thornton manifest is about my ancestor.