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Bernard Salmon and Mary McDermott

My name is Michael Edwards, I live in Shrewsbury Shropshire England. 2 years ago, following the death of my Father we started to look into my Mothers heritage. This would give Mum something to focus on, helping her transition into her new life without Dad. Our search started with documents that Mum had including a funeral card for Bernard Salmon. Bernard Salmon is Mums 4 times Grand Father and we were surprised to find that he was buried in the Calvary Roman Cemetery New York USA. Bernard born 1836 was married to Mary Salmon (McDermott) born 1839 moved separately from Ireland to Wolverhampton West Midlands England. We got in touch with Simon Briercliffe who is social and cultural historian who is researching the contribution of Irish people in the West Midlands. Simon told us that Bernard and Mary Salmon were one of the most important Irish families of the post famine diaspora in the Black Country West Midlands. The Salmons were founding members of the Brotherhood of Saint Patrick in Wolverhampton. 

It is highly likely that Bernard is from County Roscommon and we have found that Mary is from Tibohine Buckill County Roscommon. We believe that her parents are Johanis McDermott and Elizabeth McDermott (Farrell) but we are not sure.

We recently visited Ireland for the first time and stayed in Swineford County Mayo where we met some wonderful people including Mairin Noone who was a tremendous help in our search. We visited Tibohine old Graveyard Ballaghaderreen where we found grave of Patrick and Mary McDermott. Patrick and Mary we believe to be Johanis McDermotts Brother and Sister in law. We cleaned the gravestone and I have included pictures. We met Tim McDermott a resident of Tibohine and we hope that he is a relative.

We have uncovered an incredible history of Irish people from Countys Roscommon and Mayo in Wolverhampton around the mid/late 19th century. I am happy to share with the group if you are interested. We understand the reasons why people left Ireland during this period but we lack concrete facts about the McDermotts of Tibohine and nothing of the Salmon family. Can you please help?

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Michael:

I searched the subscription site Roots Ireland and located two baptismal records in Co. Roscommon. Also, some RC parishes do not have records back to the 1830s.

Bernard Salmon baptized March 12 1834 in Aughrim RC parish father Dennis Salmon mother Eleanor Morris

Bernard Salmon baptized October 8 1835 in Loughlynn RC parish father Timothy Salmon mother Winifred Salmon

Are you aware if Bernard had siblings?

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Michael, I live in Darwin Australia and have been doing research on my grandfather William Salmon for the last 30 years. While I have mostly uncovered all there is to know about my grandfather and his siblings here in Australia. For the last two years with the help of DNA I have now turned my attention to his European heritage. 

The only information we were able to go on was that my grandfather’s father Christopher John Salmon and his brother Peter Salmon aged 22 migrated to Brisbane Queensland Australia in 1963 on board the ship Rockhampton leaving Liverpool.  While I have found a lot of information about Christopher Salmon here in Australia there is little information about his brother to be found apart from a death certificate. Both Christopher and Peter death certificate state they were born in Kilpatrick Westmeath

According to the Griffiths Valuations, in these listings for the county of Westmeath in the barony of Fore in the Parish of Kilpatrick Townland of Kilpatrick a John Salmon is listed as a lessee of a house, office and land of 18 acres. It cannot be established if this is our 3xgrandfather, other records from a descendant indicate that it is quite possible. A Thomas Salmon was listed as being the lessee of a house, office and land of some 69 acres. Presumably this may have been a relative

These records serve as census substitute for the years before, during, and after the Great Famine.

In the listings for the county of Westmeath in the barony of Fore in the Parish of Kilpatrick Townland of Kilpatrick a John Salmon is listed as a lessee of a house, office and land of 18 acres. It cannot be established if our grandfather was this person or not, however later records from a descendant indicate that it is quite possible.

A Thomas Salmon was listed as being the lessee of a house, office and land of some 69 acres. Presumably this may have been a relative.

I read with interest your post re “Bernard Salmon” who was born 1836 and was married to Mary Salmon (McDermott) born 1839 moved separately from Ireland to Wolverhampton West Midlands England. I gather this too might have happened to my ancestors, while I do know Christopher and Peter must have moved to England to then make it to Australia, but it’s made difficult tracking their parents’ movements. They may have died, they may have been convicts or they may have migrated to America.

My 3X Grandfather John Salmon married a Margaret Bowen who both were born about 1815 in Ireland, and they were presumably married in Ireland sometime before 1835. It is not known how many children they had however we do know that there were two sons born. Peter was the first child born in 1835 and Christopher my GGrandfather in 1837 in Kilpatrick Westmeath Ireland.

really can’t find a married match to either of them who had children named Peter & Christopher which has become a roadblock for me. It is not known what happened with the Salmon family during these times, presumably some if not all the family migrated to England along with other suffering Irish.

Records of our family during this time are not known all that well, however we do know that John and Margaret’s two sons Peter & Christopher respectively emigrated from England and travelled to Brisbane Australia. They had departed from Liverpool England on 18 June 1863 on the ship Rockhampton and arrived around 13 October 1863, a voyage that lasted 116 days, by no means a quick passage.   

From DNA records in my Ancestry tree, I have two people who are related to me one from America and one from County Cork - it appears both our 3x grandfathers could be brothers, I’ve sent them massages and they are not responding. 

Looking at their family tree I formed the view perhaps their ancestor Theresa Salmon could be a first half cousin to my Grandfather Christopher Salmon. Theresa and her parents and sibling’s birthplace are the same as my grandfather and his brother – if this is the case, then our 2xgrandparents John & Thomas are likely brothers.

I read that Simon Briercliffe who is a social and cultural historian who is researching the contribution of Irish people in the West Midlands. He stated that the Salmons were one of the most important Irish families of the post famine diaspora in the Black Country West Midlands. He says the Salmons were founding members of the Brotherhood of Saint Patrick in Wolverhampton. 

While I believe my Ancestors might have lived in Ireland that too might not have been their true origins … I was told the Salmon name was not an Irish name I too would like to visit Ireland when my research is done. I'm writing a book on my grandfather and once that is over, I would like to go visit his homeland.

Brenshaw

Brenshaw:

I saw your message to Michael and did some searching on the subscription site Roots Ireland. The RC parish for Kilpatrick civil parish is Collinstown. Records for this parish go back to 1784. https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0918?locale=en

On Roots Ireland, I located a June 17th 1838 baptismal record for a Christopher Salmon with parents Thomas Salmon and Mary Bolasty. I did not see a baptismal record for a Peter Salmon. However, I did locate an October 13 1856 baptismal record for a Theresa Frances Salmon in Collinstown with the same parents as Christopher. There were eight children with Christopher as the oldest and Theresa as the youngest.

None of the records showed where they lived in the area but likely this is the same Thomas Salmon from Kilpatrick who was leasing 69 acres. Let me know if you have any questions.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Roger ... this one of mine is a real head scratcher!! I've got too many conflicting dates re Peter and Christopher. If i was to find birth certificates for both Peter & Christopher, then things might be made allot easier.

I know One thing that is certain "Through DNA" the "Thomas Salmon" married to Rose Hannon is either a brother to Christopher & Peters father or is a cousin. Or that Peter and Christopher's father isn't a John Salmon and details on their documentations are incorrect.

I'm just curious to know why did just Christopher and Peter chose to go to Australia ...its unsure if he had other siblings or what happened to their parents ...i haven't explored the option of both parents being convicts and were sent out to Australia.

The closest connection I have through DNA is through this Thomas Salmon... If find his father or mother or siblings, I think i might be able to solve my mystery...

Brenshaw

Brenshaw:

I agree this is a head scratcher.

I checked the 1831 Tithe listings for Kilpatrick civil parish and there were two Salmons listed-- Christopher and Thomas. Unfortunately, the Tithe page attached to their record is the wrong page so we don't know ho much land was being leased in 1831. Here is a link to the site https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Westmeath&townland=&parish=kilpatrick&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=70

My theory is that the 1831 Tithe Christopher Salmon was the grandfather to your 1837 Christopher and the 1838 Christopher who was the son of Thomas Salmon and Mary Balasty. The Thomas in 1831 may have been the Thomas who showed up in the Griffiths.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Roger 

I have discovered some additional information.  I think your theory has merit with the Christopher Thomas and the Mary connection 

It was found that John Salmon married Margaret "Bowan" in 1836 in Southwark RC Cathedral in south London, England. The record appeared in the marriage register index but couldn't find any online copies of the actual marriage details. I'm told civil registration of marriages was introduced in England in 1837 & If John & Margaret had married a few months later, we could have viewed their civil marriage certificate which would include the paternal details of the bride & groom.     

In the 1841 census of England covering the St Olave civil parish in Southwark John, a Laborer, & his wife Margaret, both stated born in a foreign land. Their first two children, Peter and Elizabeth were born in the county of Surrey, i.e. Southwark. Elizabeth's and Peters birth was registered in Southwark in 1837,39 with her mother's maiden name declared to be "Bone." They left England before 1841 as Christopher was born in 1841 in Kilpatrick followed by John in 1845 and Thomas in 1855.  

This makes a conventional fertility span of 17 years for Margaret during her marriage. The gap between John and Thomas's births could indicate a series of infant deaths or miscarriages as Margaret got older, as the Salmon family endured the Great Famine years.

In 1841, Southwark was a popular residential area for Irish Catholic immigrants who were generally quite poor after fleeing Ireland. My hypothesis is that young John Salmon relocated to London after seeing no future on his small family farm in Kilpatrick. He found a wife and started a family in Southwark, then something prompted his return to Ireland. Possibly it was the death of a parent, permitting John to take over the lease of the farm as a marital home. 

 It is feasible that the wealthier Protestant Salmons of Kilpatrick were descendants of an English Cromwellian soldier who was rewarded after the Conquest of Ireland with ownership of some land in Westmeath. One branch of the family flourished by intermarrying with other wealthy Anglo-Irish settlers, while John's progenitor married a local Catholic bride. As a consequence, John's ancestors were forced to survive on a modest-sized leased farm alongside their Protestant cousins who thrived on much larger estates. This is theoretical but based upon my research experience. 

I seemed to have sorted out John & Margaret family and children - Peter and Christopher (my Grandfathers father) migrated to Australia in 1863, 

John migrated to America, Thomas stayed in Kipatrick/Collinstown and had a large family, Elizabeth is the stumbling block, I'm still working on  

Based on DNA connected to me i have Salmon links to descendants that come from County Mayo and County Westmeath so it seems feasible John's siblings may have resided or originated from Mayo.  I suspect his siblings may be named Thomas, William, Patrick, Christopher as a guess 

Cheers

Barry  

Brenshaw

Barry:

Thanks for the update! All the best to you and your family in 2026!

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

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