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Beirne/Magirl Parentage Issue

My ancestor, Catherine (Kate) Archbold nee: Kelly was the daughter of Michael Kelly and Catherine Kelly nee: Burns (all 3 born somewhere in Ireland, specific location not confirmed.) The name Burns was as it was spelled on Catherine's death record in Lowell, Mass. Therefore, I have documentation that Michael and Catherine are definitely Kate's parents. Now, I'm trying to trace Catherine Kelly (Burns') parents back in Ireland. I'm assuming Burns may be the anglicized version of Beirne or Berne.

I found a baptism record in County Leitrim of an entire Beirne family (including Catherine) around the correct time period. That record identified Catherine's parents as Francis Beirne and Catherine Magirl or McGil. Baptisms of all their children took place in Gortletterach, County Leitrim.

However, yesterday I found a bank record completed in 1890 in Providence, Rhode Island by a Catherine Purns (likely a mis-transcription of Burns) who was opening an account. In that record she lists her parents as Francis Beirne and Catherine Magirl. This Providence Catherine was 60 years old, single and died in Providence 3 years later. My ancestor Catherine (who married Michael Kelly) was not single, stayed in Ireland and died in 1854. Both Catherine's baptism dates are within 5 years of each other and both were baptized in County Leitrim. In short, the 2 Catherines are NOT related and only one of them is my ancestor.

Here's my question: Is it too much of a coincidence to think that two babies named Catherine, baptized within 5 years of each other in the same County in Ireland have parents named Francis Beirne and Catherine Magirl? OR Is the baptism record I found earlier really the baptism of Providence Catherine and not my ancestor?

I hope this was not too convoluted and makes sense.

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Terri,

 Record from RootsIreland (paid subscription), perhaps your Catherine. Sister Mary Ann 1852 was also baptized in this church.

Gortletteragh, Ardagh - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI

Name:Catherine KellyDate of Birth:0-Jan-0
  Date of Baptism:15-May-1854
Address:Parish/District:GORTLETTERAGH ROMAN CATHOLIC
Gender:FemaleCountyCo. Leitrim
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Michael KellyMother:Catherine Beirne
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1:Sponsor 2 /Informant 2:
Notes:

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Mohill, Ardagh - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI

Date of Marriage:09-Jan-1850  
Parish / District:MOHILL ROMAN CATHOLICCounty:Co. Leitrim
HusbandWife
Name:MichaelKellyCatherineBeirne
Address:
Denomination:Roman CatholicRoman Catholic
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's FatherWife's Father
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's MotherWife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1

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Sorry I think I have confused your Catherines

Based on what you are saying Catherine Kelly Archbold parents were Michael Kelly and Catherine Beirne (who you suggest Catherine Beirne Kelly was born about 1856- d.1903). It would be helpful if you provided any birth, immigration, marriage, and death dates. Did she live in Massachusetts. What was her husband's (Archbold) full name? Who were her children. When and where did she die?

Could this be your Catherine?Name:Catherine KellyDate of Birth:19-Jul-1882
Registration Date:24-Jul-1882
Address:PortnacrinaghtParish/District:BALLINAMEEN
Gender:FemaleCountyCo. Roscommon
Denomination:Civil Parish
Father:Michael KellyMother:Catherine Beirne
Occupation:Farmer
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1:Thomas RyanSponsor 2 /Informant 2:
Notes:
INFORMANT : PRESENT AT BIRTH
CHILD'S/MOTHER'S NAME GIVEN AS KATE

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Maybe parents, Siblings- Bridgid 1873, Maria 1875, Patrick 1877. John 1879, Ann 1886, Michael 1888, Brigid 1891, Margaret 1894. When did Michael K and Catherine B go to America?

Date of Marriage:12-Feb-1872
Parish / District:ELPHINCounty:Co. Roscommon
HusbandWife
Name:MichaelKelly FARMERCatherineBeirne
Address:KingslandBallyroddy
Denomination:Roman CatholicRoman Catholic
Occupation:Not RecordedNot Recorded
Age:Not RecordedNot Recorded
Status:
Husband's FatherWife's Father
Name:MichaelKellyMichaelBeirne
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:Not RecordedNot Recorded
Husband's MotherWife's Mother
Name:Not RecordedNot RecordedNot RecordedNot Recorded
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1Witness 2
Name:JohnDockeryCatherineDurr
Address:
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To Clarify, Catherine who married Michael Kelly did not die in 1902/ 3. It was Catherine Kelly who married James Archbold in 1882.

NameKate Kelley
Age24
Birth Yearabt 1858[abt 1858]
Birth PlaceIreland
Marriage Date19 Nov 1882
Marriage PlaceLowell, Massachusetts, USA
FatherMichael Kelley
MotherKate Kelley
SpouseJames Archibald

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NameCatherine Archibald Kelley
GenderFemale
Age38
Birth Dateabt 1864
Birth PlaceIreland
Death Date24 Mar 1902
Death PlaceLowell, Massachusetts, USA
FatherMichael Kelley
MotherC Burns
Wills and ProbatesSearch for 1902 Catherine in Massachusetts Wills & Probates collection

1900 Census

NameCatherine Archibald[Frathern Archibald]
Age40
Birth DateMay 1860
BirthplaceIreland
Home in 1900Lowell Ward 2, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Ward of City2 (Part Of)
StreetLittle Street
House NumberRearl to 21
Sheet Number8
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation86
Family Number145
RaceWhite
GenderFemale
Immigration Year1881
Relation to Head of HouseHead
Marital StatusMarried
Marriage Year1882
Years Married18
Father's BirthplaceIreland
Mother's BirthplaceIreland
Mother: number of living children4
Mother: How many children8
Years in US19
OccupationHouseworker
Can ReadY
Can WriteY
Can Speak EnglishY
Farm or HouseH
NeighborsView others on page
Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship
Catherine Archibald40Head
Charles Archibald17Son
Thomas Archibald13Son
Henry Archibald10Son
Mary Archibald10Daughter

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Per Ancestry, where I have found most of the records, this could be your Catherine Beirne Kelly. 

NameCatherine Berne
Baptism Age0[0]
Event TypeBaptism
Birth Date1828
Baptism Date9 Nov 1828
Baptism PlaceFenagh, Leitrim, Ireland
DioceseArdagh
FatherFrancis Berne
MotherCatherine Magirl

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Thank you for responding and for taking the trouble to research further. I see where I made some errors in my post and have corrected them. Let me clarify, as there are 3 Catherines in my story (and 4 if you count the Providence one). Catherine #1: The Catherine (Kate) who married James Archbold was born in Ireland sometime around 1854. I did find that baptism record you provided in Gortletteragh, County Leitrim. She married James Archbold in Lowell, Mass on Nov 19,1882 and died in Lowell in 1902. Michael Kelly is her father and Catherine Burns is her mother. I have confirmed this by Kate's death records which lists them.

Catherine #2: Catherine Burns/Beirne was born in Ireland in the 1820's. I'm not sure of the actual location but it's likely County Leitrim. She married Michael Kelly in the Mohill Roman Catholic Church on January 1850 in Co. Leitrim. Catherine Burns/Beirne died on March 1854 in Gortletteragh, Leitrim. I'm now trying to confirm her parents.

Catherine #3: I believe the parents of Catherine Burns/Beirne are Catherine McGgirl and Francis Beirne (based on a baptism record 9 Nov 1828 on Roots Ireland search).

Here's my problem and question.

After finding all that, I ran across a bank record made out by a Catherine Burns in Providence, Rhode Island, which names her parents as Francis Beirne and Catherine McGirl. Naturally I'm confused because I have a Catherine Burns in my ancestry - the one who married Michael Kelly. Now this Providence Catherine Burns, single and a former servant, was 60 years old at the time 1892, putting her baptism/birth abt 1832 in Leitrim County. All this information is clearly stated on the Old Stone Bank application in Providence. She died in Providence 3 years later. These facts have been confirmed. My relative Catherine Kelly nee:Burns/Beirne never left Ireland and was obviously married and died in 1854

So my original question: Is it too much of a coincidence to think there are two daughters both named Catherine, born 4-5 years apart, both in County Leitrim, both claiming parents Francis Beirne and Catherine McGirl but who are not sisters? Or do I simply have the wrong parents for my Catherine Burns?

terri.d2022@ou…

Perhaps Catherine Kelly Archbold's father died in Ireland?? Do you know if her parents actually came to America? Are they on the censuses? Have you done any DNA testing to see if you are connected to Francis Beirne family?

Could be another family member.

NameMichael Kelly
Event TypeBurial
Death Date23 Feb 1861
Burial PlaceGortletteragh, Leitrim, Ireland
Parish VariantsGorthlethra
DioceseArdagh

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Gortletteragh Townland, Co. Leitrim

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Catherine's parents never came to America. I know this because it is stated on a document from Overseers of the Poor (a kind of welfare). Michael Kelly and wife catherine died in Ireland.  What are your thoughts about my actual question?

terri.d2022@ou…

There was a whole Bryne family living in Providence. Catherine lived with her brother before he died in 1887. I don't think this is your family.

NameThomas Byrne
GenderMale
RaceWhite
Marital StatusSingle
Age50
Birth Dateabt 1837
Birth PlaceIreland
Death Date19 Apr 1887
Death PlaceRhode Island, USA
Death Registration PlaceProvidence
FatherFrancis Byrne
MotherCatherine Byrne

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NameCatherine Purns
Marital StatusSingle
AgeAbt 60
Birth Dateabt 1832
Birth PlaceLeitrim
Residence Date26 Feb 1892
Residence Street Address250 Plain St
Residence PlaceProvidence, Rhode Island, USA
OccupationServant
FatherFrancis
MotherCatherine McGirl
DescriptionOld Stone Bank Signature Book, Volume 18, 1891

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Ancestry tree

Catherine

Death

4 Mar 1893 • Providence, Providence, Rhode Island, USA

Source: Date on gravestone, erected by younger sister Mary (Beirne) Dougherty. Also buried with her 2 single siblings, Bridget and Thomas. “Natives of Fenagh, Co Leitrim”

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Typically, a marriage takes place at the bride's church. Per the record I provided above, they were married at Mohill.

Mohill, Ardagh - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI

They started recording baptisms in 1836. Perhaps your Catherine Beirne was born before that. Civil registrations of births did not start until 1864.

Regards- Mary

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Terri:

I agree with Mary's last comment about the 1850 marriage between Catherine Beirne and Michael Kelly at Mohiil RC church. Likely Catherine was baptized in Mohill RC church and since baptismal records for that parish start in 1836, a record for Catherine would not be available. The pre-1836 register(s) were likely lost.

Catherine Kelly (nee Beirne) died March 16 1855 at Gortletteragh.

Roots Ireland also has a February 23 1861 burial record for a Michael Kelly at Gortletteragh. Possibly this is the Michael who married Catherine Beirne.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you Roger.  Yes, I also have this record. I believe that the Catherine who was baptized at the Mohil RC church and who died in 1855 is my ancestor.  Her mother was also named Catherine, if the record of her baptism in Fenagh in 1828 is the correct Catherine. What I don't know is if the baptism record which names the parents as Catherine McGirl and Francis Beirne, is that of my ancestor or is it the record belonging to Providence Catherine.

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Thank you all for helping me determine that the Beirne family in Fenagh, Leitrim,Ireland is not the family of my ancestor Catherine Berine Kelly.  I have deleted this line fro my Tree and am continuing to pursue Catherine's true parentage.

Terri D.

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