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Begley/Costello

Hello everybody I'm trying to find out where in Ireland my ancestors came from. The research I've done so far frustratingly provides no real clues. My ggg grandfather was Peter Begley (sometimes recorded as Bagley) and he married Ann Costello in St Helens in 1857, they had a son, John, but then Peter seems to disappear (prison?). Ann went on to have further children. From their marriage certificate both their fathers were called Thomas (interestingly John later states his father as Thomas on his marriage certificate, not sure why).
I know that Peter had brothers called Patrick and John and that they were in Liverpool in 1851 (census). It is of course possible or even likely that Peter and Ann only met in England and could therefore have come from completely different areas of Ireland.
Thomas Begley was listed as a labourer and Thomas Costello a publican.
if anyone can shed any light on their (my!) Irish roots I would be extremely grateful.
Many thanks
Andrew Begley

Andybeg

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Hi Andrew, there are 9 Peter Begleys and variants on Roots Ireland 1820 to 1840 but would need a parents name to clarify and if  you have an age from the census to narrow the year, what was his fathers name on the Costello Marriage etc You can see the areas the name was found here, you get a few free looks. https://www.johngrenham.com/surnames/ It is not a great help as there are more and scattered too. It is possible the church records for his birth do not exist also as it is pre civil registration.

With the fathers Christian name we could also search the brothers to further reassure us we were correct.

Regards

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks for this Pat.
Peters father, as I mentioned, was Thomas according to the marriage certificate. My best guess (ages quoted on certificates and the census vary) is that Peter was born in the early to mid 1830s. Ann was a similar age. Hope this helps.
Andrew

Andybeg

Hi Andrew, there is no Peter baptism with father Thomas on Roots Ireland, 1825 to 1845, oddly see a Peter born in Louth in 1823 father Andrew, also found 12 Anne Costello but only one occupation given as farmer rest are blank, I somehow imagine that a publican would have his occupation recorded so we are no further on, wonder if some sites would have a list of license applications to sell alcohol recorded or in a newspaper, British Newspaper Archive may be best but a subscription site. (pre 1921 they I understand have more newspapers) 

So Andrew there is not a lot more I can say, I looked at the deaths in Ireland, civil registration started in 1864 and looking at ages etc there are not many Peter deaths to 1920, really it is just guessiing and the only one ot the entries I could see and his age, estimates of course there is a death in the Limavady Workhouse, this is in Derry or Londonderry if you prefer but really it is less than a guess but there should be death certificate somewhere, this site is free but not all certs are viewable currently, sign in and have a look anyway in case he came home.

We do not recommend DNA on this site at all as it is a very personal choice and can turn up stuff you are not prepared for and I do not understand the accurancy but they tell me that a Y DNA test can show you the historical place back hundreds of years but it may not show where he was from but where the name came from if you get me, do not worry if you do not as I am no expert, also is is quiet expensive for something that is difficult to understand or at least it is for me. 

Regards

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks for your efforts anyway Pat. 
Am I right in thinking that Roots Ireland is missing some counties data eg Cork? I know this used to be the case.

If so are you aware of any online source for these counties?  
 
Many thanks

 

 

 

 

Andybeg

Andrew the Roots Ireland has I think 2 missing counties, it shows on their website, the 2 missing for church records can be found here, sign in but free, civil BMDs from 1864 for all, Church of Ireland marriages from 1845, not all certs but most are linked to register entry, under Church records, Dublin, Cork and Kerry I think are there, easy to search but that is most of the church records but Cork is what you asked about. https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ 

Did you search for other Begley queries on this site or on Ancestry.

Good Luck

Pat

St Peters LouthIrelandXO Volunteer

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