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BATES FAMILY CAHIR/CLONMEL

Searching for Bates family in Cahiror Clonmel. Looking for my 3x grfa,Thomas Bates (b. 1830-1840?) ( d. 1899, Tewksbury, Ma, USA) We have some info that an uncle visited my grandmother's family in Ballyhaunis, Mayo in the 1960'sand then went to visit the Batesfamily in either Cahir/Clonmel. Can not find his birth/baptism in Ireland or when or which shiphe was on when he immigrated to USA. He married in Salem, MA in 1852. Death certificatesays parents are William and Mary. Cannot find siblings or relations during his lifetime in USA. One interesting note is that I submitted my brother's DNA to the Bates Assoc in USA and, although close, he does not match any of the numerous family lines in the Association. Would appreciate hearing from relatives (hopefully!) or any suggestions.
Thanks in advance for any assistance. Nancy

Nputnam

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HI . . . Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out . . . 

 

 

Thos.Bates . . .1830 - 1840  Cahir / Clonmel . .

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With that input. . 

Eamonn M. HoranIrelandXO Volunteer

Sorry about that interruption . . . 

As you can see . . . ONE ONLY . . . Thos.Bates popped up on search for Tipperary   1825 - 1845 . . .giving you Parents . . John & Ellen (Quinn)

I'm presuming . . . that this could very well be your Ancestor . . . in which case . . you now have Parents names . . . 

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So . . .you dont say . . what your Granmothers names were . . Maiden name - Married name  ?????. . . she who visited Ballyhaunis . .  . 

It might help  . . . 

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On my " Roots " . . I searched for a BIRTH of a JOHN Bates . . . born circa 1918   + / - 10 yrs. in Tipperary

ONLY 3 . . Births . . show up . . . ( see (2) below )

When I look at these Births . . . ( see (3) + (4) + (5) below )

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Ellen Quinn . . . Search . . . 

Roots . . .turn up the following . . . for Tipperary   1813 - 1823    ( see 1* below ) . . . 

3 Births in S.Tipperary . . . . might be of help . . . 

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SO . . . there they are . . . take your pick . . . Best I could do . . . 

Sorry I couldn't ne more helpful . . . . 

Cheers . . . Eamonn.

 

Eamonn M. HoranIrelandXO Volunteer

 

Hello Eamonn,

                Thanks so much for your time and the information you found. I'll follow up on all the names.(Especially the Beats, who knows  :) )  

                The family in Ballyhaunis where my grandmother was born (Nora (Jennings) Bates b.1887) was/is Jennings/Cruise and I have quite a bit of info there.  The Bates side would be her husband's great grandfather, so no relations there. 

               My big issue is the different names of parents on Thomas' birth and death certificates and, if he got married in USA in 1852, he would only be 10 years old. LOL They didn't have children until 1858 or so. I'm going to have to really dig further in MA to see if there's another Thos who married an Ann Gillan later than 1852.  When I wrote to City of Salem for a copy of marriage license, they didn't have one although the church in Salem does have a marriage showing for them, but nothing further. The city said quite often the licenses weren't returned to the city and our State of MA vital records does not have one either.   Again, thanks for all your assistance!   Nancy

 

 

Nputnam

So . . . another snippet Nancy  . . . in your search. . . 

In Ireland . . . 1823 - 1836 . . . there was a Tax Roll compiled    (nothing changes !! )   for property owners . . . 

When I input Bates . . S.Tipperary  . . 11 hits show . . . . ( see below )

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http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=51&Submit.y=10&familyname=Bates&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=TIPPERARY%2C+SOUTH+RIDING&unionname=&parishname=BALLYCLERAHAN

Again . . . another TAX roll   . . . 1847 - 1867 . . . known as GRIFFITHS valuation . . . (above/ below)

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=33&Submit.y=5&familyname=Bates&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=TIPPERARY%2C+SOUTH+RIDING&unionname=

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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

I had a look at our 1901 National Census . . . Bates . . . in Tipperary County . . in 1901 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1901&surname=Bates&firstname=&county19011911=Tipperary&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&barony=&parish=&ward=&townland=&houseNumber=&familyId=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=

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Not sure if these are of any further use to your serch . . . Cheers

 

 

Eamonn M. HoranIrelandXO Volunteer

WOW.....JUST WOW!  Thank you so much!  WOW! Can't thank you enough.  I'll share with some cousins and hopefully we will find our family. It's lovely to have the time to spend time on geneaology...not happy over the reason for the time though.  You are also teaching me a lot on how to search as well.

Stay safe....and thanks again!

Nancy

Nputnam

i have a margaret bates who married in st. john's newfoundland.T

for her father i have

Thomas Bates was born in 1788 in Ireland. He had one son and two daughters with Anastasia (Anastace) Myers Bates between 1816 and 1820. He died in November 1827 in St John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada, at the age of 39. (10 july 1787?). Listed as likely from Lonmel, CLONMEL, Tipperary on mannioncollection.ca  

Marie Carlsson

Thank you for the information. I've checked on this and cannot find any connection. My Thomas Bates definately lived in Salem, MA, married and had children there. His parents are listed as William and Mary on his death certificate. It's unfortunate as I was really hoping to find him. Thanks again for the info!

 

Nputnam

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