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Bartholomew Sweeney Family

I need verification that my names and dates are correct. A very distant relative is questioning them. My grandfather was Bartholomew Sweeney born in Glenogue, Kilshanning, Cork on May 19,1890 to John Sweeney (1848-1908) and Ellen Riordan (1856-1905). I have John Sweeney's father as John Sweeney, no dates available and no mother listed in my records. I have Ellen Riordan's father as Eugene Riordan (1862-1929) married to Elizabeth Browne, no dates available. However the distant relative says that Ellen's father's name is Bat with no mother in his records.

At this point, except for my grandfather, I don't know what is correct and what is not. I possibly could have unrelated families mixed up because of having the same last name. So I turn to you. You have helped me iso much in the past. Thank you once more.

-Kathleen Logue

Mcauley73@aol.com

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Kathleen:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Bartholomew Sweeney's birth record https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02424/1903257.pdf

His parent's marriage record is the third record on the page  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10921/5990101.pdf

The father of John Sweeney was John and the father of Ellen was Bat.

I could not go back further at this time. Too many John Sweeney record with father John. 

If Ellen was married in 1884 then her father could not have been born in 1862 so Eugen Riordan does not fit.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

 

Thank you Roger.  You have helped me in the past.  I now switch from my grandfather's family (McSweeney) to my grandmother's family (Crean) with another question.

My great, great grandmother was Johannah McSweeney also known as Hannah Sweeney.  Johannah was baptized in Glantane on October 25, 1830.  Her parents were John Sweeney and Mary Quin, no dates available.  She married Michael Crean.  Johannah and Michael had Owen, born in 1850, my great grandfather John (1855-1945), Denis and Julia, no dates available.  There could have been other children.  

Can you tell me if Johannah had siblings?  This information will help me with my family tree research.  It does get confusing when my grandmother's Crean family name also has the name McSweeney in it which was my grandfather's family name.  What a puzzle.

Once more, thank you.  I could not be this far along on my research without your guidance.  

-Kathleen Logue

Mcauley73@aol.com

Kathleen:

The Glantane baptismal records start in May 1829 so it is possible that there were children older than Johanna. I also did not see a marriage record  https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0055

Here are the additional children I located. The dates are baptismal dates. Looks like the 1833 Ellen died young.

Roger

Ellen 12/22/1833

Ellen 6/29/1837

Mary 4/26/1840

John 8/15/1843

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks! Stay Safe!

Mcauley73@aol.com

Now I am wondering if you can provide me with the names of my great grandfather's siblings.  My grandfather was Bartholomew Sweeney born on May 19, 1870 in Glenogue, Kilshanning, Cork.  His father was John Sweeney (1848-1908) married to Ellen Riordan (1856-1905).  My guess is that Cork was always their home.  It is John Sweeney's siblings that I am researching, or trying to.  As you said in a previous post, there are a lot of John Sweeneys. I am hoping that you have better luck than I have.  

Thank you once more,  -Kathleen Logue

Mcauley73@aol.com

Thank you again, Roger.  My proof reading skills are not what they use to be.  Of course, my typo.Bartholomew was born in 1890 as you figured out.  Can you tell me if Bartholomew's father, John Sweeney (1848-1908) had siblings?  I am trying to connect different family trees that may be related.  The abundance of the name Sweeney or McSweeney is proving to be quite a hurdle to climb.

All the best,  -Kathleen  

 

 

Mcauley73@aol.com

Kathleen:

John Sweeney and Ellen Riordan were likely married in a chapel that was part of the parish of Kilshhnig since the civil marriage was registered in Kilshannig dispensary district. Now likely that was Ellen's parish but we don't know if it was John's parish. I searched on Roots Ireland for John Sweeney baptismal records from 1842-1848 ( I don't assume that John was necessarily born in 1848). There were 18 records in this category in North Cork and none in Kilshannig. Baptismal records are scarce for Kilshannig. Here is a link to the parish register for Kilshannig baptismal records from 1842-1850. You could scan the register to see if you see a John Sweeney with father John. There are 18 records are problematic since you don't have the mother's maiden name.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

 

Dear Roger,  

     Thank you for your help now and in the past.  Some family mysteries I suppose will always be just that, mysteries.  But at least I learned how important the mother's maiden name is.  And I'm sure, someday, I'll be back in touch.

     -Kathleen Logue

 

Mcauley73@aol.com

Kathleen:

Looks like I failed to give you the link for the parish register for Kilshannig   https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0111  It only has nine years of baptismal records.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

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