Barbara McHugh,
Looking for dates of death, baptismand marriage (? in Tristia.)
Born abt ?1/12/1829, married to John Carrolan ( died 1919)lived in Tristia( Mount Jubilee). ? Goolamore.
Any help much appreciated.
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Looking for dates of death, baptismand marriage (? in Tristia.)
Born abt ?1/12/1829, married to John Carrolan ( died 1919)lived in Tristia( Mount Jubilee). ? Goolamore.
Any help much appreciated.
BoB:
Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!
The RC church records for Kilcommon (Erris) parish start in 1860. I got no record for the baptism or marriage on the subscription site Roots Ireland. (Civil registration started in 1864).
I checked the 1855 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Kilcommon civil parish. I found Patrick Carolan in Tristia. There were also three other Carolan records in Tristia.
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/kilcommon.htm
I searched on the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie but did not see a death record for Barbara or Patrick. I did not see Patrick in the 1901 census for Tristia. What are the names of their children?
By the way, in the 1901 census all of the Carolans are shown as Carlon.
Roger McDonnell
Hello Roger
Thank You for replying.
Bab McHugh m John Carrolan
Children:
Judith baptism 3/8/1856 Belmullet
Hugh (Carrolin) baptism 26/9/1858 same mother Belmullet
Mary baptism 29/4/1866 Belmullet
Ann (Carlin) baptism 20/8/ 1868 Tristia,Bangor Erris F John Carlin
Peter Caralon 3/5/1870 Belmullet Died 4/5/1870.
Bartly (Carlin on civil records)15/5/1871 Baptism 18/5/1871,Tristia,Bangor.
Denis (Carlin mother McCew, baptism 26/10/ 1873, Mount Jubilee Kiltane Parish
Gap between 1860 to 1868.
Many Thanks
Sorry missed out Michael Carralon baptised 26/9/1860 Tristia, Belmullet.
BoB:
In case you don't have them below are the 1901 and 1911 censuses for John and children. Not sure why he was reported as 61 in 1911. Also, have the 1901 and 1911 censuses for Peter and his family.
Roger
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Goolamore/Tristia/1579610/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Goolamore/Tristia/1579638/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Goolamore/Tristia/707516/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Goolamore/Tristia/707490/
Thank You Roger,
I have Peter as being born : 24/04/1870 and dying 4/05/1870.
The Peter on 1901 census I have as being married to Anne O' Malley and his father being Denis Caralon.
I have read the : Irish Naming and Baptism Traditions article, is this a possiility to identifying the parents of John Carrolan and Barbara Mc Hugh??
I have the baptism records of all the children with sponsors.
Does the female sponsor use her maiden name?
Re Barbara McHugh death :
I have looked on Church and civil records but no luck, could she have been named something else or died somewhere else.
Re: Barbara McHugh Birth:
I found:
B Mc Hugh 12/04/1838 Peter Mchugh and Mary Sweny, Kilkeevin, Roscommon
B McHugh 15/04/1836 Kinavara, Galway, Martin McHugh Mgt Delian
Brigidam Berne McHugh baptism 19/02/1835 in Boyle, Elphin,Roscommon. Parents Michael and Elizabeth McHugh??
Hello Roger,
I cross referenced your Griffiths list with the tithe applotment list. I couldnt see any Carolans in Tristia, but there was a Barthy McHugh
The only Carolan I could find was a Andrew carolin in Largen Beg. Also john and Patrick in Shraghlusky.
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board/barbara-mchugh
Is it possible that the Carolans moved into tristia on marriage?/
I attach also the sponsors for the children of John Carolan and Barbara McHugh
Judith: Denis Carrolan, Nancy Conway
Hugh: Denis Carolin, Mary Carolin
Mary: John McDonagh Bridget mcDonagh
Michael: Bartly McHugh, Mary Conway
Anne: Denis Carolan, Mary Carolan
Peter: Denis Carolan, Ellen Doran (found marriage for these)
Bartly Andrew ,Ellen Murphy
Denis: John Carolan, Honor Carolan
On another note I found a ref to a son who lived in Tristia of Andrew Carolin and Bridget Conmy , could this be Conway.
Sorry it is a bit long,it takes a while to unravel and see the geography of the area in relation to the names.
Really appreciate your help.
BoB:
Let me comment on your first followup message.
My mistake on Peter. I just assumed I had the correct Peter based on the age.
Naming patterns are very helpful for predicting the grandparent but are not an absolute.
In my experience, married female sponsors used their married name not the maiden name.
I went thru all the Carolan death records but did not find a good record.
I believe Barbara McHugh was born in the general area around Tristia and since Belmullet baptismal records start in 1841 a record of her baptism is not available. ( Many churches lost or destroyed earlier church records).
I will get back on your other questions.
Roger
BoB:
Tristia is a hugh townland almost 3500 acres. ( An average townland is 20-600 acres) It is a good possibility that some of the land is not good for farming but my guess is that the Carolans moved into the area but did not take over the Bartly McHugh land.
Conmy could be Conway but it also could be a unique name. Use this site https://www.swilson.info/sdist.php
Roger
Hello Roger
Thank You for the link above, very interesting information and links. I often wondered how the transport system worked, it looks a long way to travel to get to say Belmullet or Crossmolina.It is a great help getting to know a little bit about the area. I guess the ports where used quite a bit to move around.
No worries about Peter, in fact it may well be that his Father Denis was a relative to John Carolan ?? I looked at the census for 1901 some of which showed Carolans in their late 60,70 and 80's. i found the marriages for the children of John Carolan and Barbara McHugh.
Judith : Thomas Howard Derricorrib
Hugh: Bridget Howard Glencastle
Michael: Catherine Ruddy Ederglen
Mary still looking
Anne: John Coyle Dooyork
Bartly; Anne Kilker Tristia
Denis: Anne mcLoughlin Derrynameel
I am currently looking at the births from 1841 onwards to see if there are any other McHugh births. Is it worth looking at Tawnaghmore area as there is a James McHugh there?
Are the sponsors worth looking at as possible siblings? Also at the marriages.
I see what you mean about the naming theory. Is Patrick and Peter inter changeable??
BoB:
Sponsors are definitely leads for siblings. Same with witnesses but for females you have to consider they were a sister in law to the male witness.
Patrick and Peter are not interchangeable.
Roger
Hello Roger
Looked at hopefully siblings or relative for Barbara McHugh using sponsors etc. What do you think
Potential grandparents:
James McHugh, Sheeane, Ballycroyand Bridget Conway ( ? Rathmorgan)
CHILDREN
Patrick McHUGH 1807
JAMES MCHUGH born 1820 BallyCroy married Sibby Gaughan resided in Rathmorgan. Emigrated to Ontario. Had Daughter called Barbara
Sponsor with Anne Conmy to marriage of Andrew Carolin, Mount Jubilee to Bridget Conmy (BallyCroy also had ? 2 brothers marry into Rathmorgan ) ? Father / brother of John Carrolan husband to Barbara Mchugh
Sponsor with Sibby Gaughan ( ? already married as their first child was born in 1853) to CATH 1854 daughter of MARTIN McCUE and MARY CONWAY RATHMORGAN emigrated to Pennsylvania
Sponsor with Mary Howard to Edward 25 march 1855 son to Ned Gaughan and Judy Howard Rathmorgan
MICHAEL MCHUGH with Mary Davitt to Anthony 12 May 1850 son to Edward Gaughan and Judy Howard
BARBARA MCHUGH sponsor with Rodger Cafferky to MARY daughter of MARTIN MCHUGH and MARY CONWAY RATHMORGAN
sponsor with BARTLY MCHUGH to Tom Nov 1854 son of ANTHONY MCHUGH AND HONOR GAUGHAN 9married 17 January 1844 )MOUNT JUBILEE
BARTLY MCHUGH married Honor Dixon and had a daughter called Barbara in 1864 couldnt find any other births since 1866
JOHN born 26 October 1843 son to John Mc Donagh and MARY MCHUGH sponsor Thomas mcDonagh and Mary Monally, Mount Jubilee
JOHN born 25/February 1856 to John ?? and Mary Malley sponsor Tom Mc Donagh and CATH MCHUGH, Mount Jubilee.
Posibilty that she was from Ballycroy. Not sure if Bartly McHUGH ? McCUE in tithe applotment for Tristia is related ??
