Bannons and Gardiners among Irish Disapora to Argentina early 1800s

Hi CB:

Many thanks for your post to the message board and for sharing some of your Irish-Argentinian family information.  

Yes, Longford and WestMeath were very popular areas from which the Irish emigrated from.  In addition, there was also a merchant class from Limerick who went to Argentina as well in the late 1800s.  

As a matter of interest, when I input both surnames into the John Grenham ancestors website, there are several parishes that come up that contain both surnames.  This is a great clue in determining where your ancestors may have come from--particularly pre-Famine where due to lack of travel, many couples who married lived within 5 miles of one another.

https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/twosurnames.php?surname2=Gardiner&surname=Bannon

Would you be willing to create a few Ancestor profiles of your Bannon and Gardiner ancestors on the XOChronicles feature which is located at the top of this page?  These profiles will be of interest to any members who are also researching the same families and you may find that others will be willing to share and collaborate with you on your research.

If you have any questions about the above, please email me directly at:  jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com.

All the best,

 

Jane

Dear Jane,

I did the same thing, which only confirmed my general thoughts about their origins - somewhere in the middle of Ireland.  I can't find any definitive emigration data, ship manifests (ISTG), or immigration info prior to their appearance in Argentina, sometime before 1847 - Father Anthony Fahey's account.  Andrew might have been on the William Peele in 1844 along with - but separated from on the manifest - three other Bannons

Perusing the available records, I can't find any that correlate well enough for me to assign any confidence level above 50% for relationships of Gardiners and Bannons found in immigration documents and birth records. The names Brigida (Jordan) Gardiner, Santiago and Patrick Gardiner and Elena McDonnell (godparents ) show up birth and baptism records. So I'm gussing those Gardiners are somehow related.  No Bannons as godparents however. It's slow going translating Argentine Spanish handwriting.  Patrick is godfather to many families.  Anna Rose Bannon's (my great aunt) godparents are Eduardo Sommer and Maria Kelly - no relation to Bannons or Gardiners that I know of.  Maria Bannon's godparents are Santiago (James) Gardiner (age 37) and Brigida Jordan (Bordan?) (age 37), so Santiago might be a brother or cousin. Few records for him however.  Maria's parents Andrew and Honor were 60 and 41 at the time of her birth.

Father Fahey mentions several prominent($) Bannons and Gardiners - Andrew Bannon, James (Santiago) Gardiner, Widow Gardiner, and Patrick Gardiner - 1863. Could be my guys.

Without boots on the ground in Argentina, it's going to be difficult to do any better - as yet.
Stay safe,
Carl Kracht

Dear Carl:

I can only imagine how tedious it must be for you to be translating Spanish documents!!  Fair dues to you for the patience and determination to do so.

I think that it will be one document that will probably give you the clue that you need to find out where the Bannons and Gardiners came from.  I will continue to see what sources are there, and please stay in touch with your research.  It may be a matter of a local history document (either in Argentina or Ireland) that breaks down this brick wall.  

The very best of luck with your search.  If you do find anything further, please let me know.

All the best,

 

Jane

 

 

HI,
I believe my 4GGP were John Gardiner & Honor McCabe from Mayo Ireland. John was born approximately 1805. I believe they had a daughter called Honora born approximately 1832, but she may have married a Michael O'keefe in Australia. It's also possible that Honora was in a workhouse/poorhouse in Ireland as a child and sent to Australia. I don't have much more information but happy to keep in touch on this site (which I don't use very often) or by email - bell.j9@sky.com  Regards John Gardiner