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Bagnall family of Cashel Tipperary

Hi I am researching the family of Ellen Bagnall who was born in Cashel in 1835. Her parents were William Bagnall and Ellen Keating. There were several children born to william and Ellen - Michael, William, John, Ellen, James, Richard, Mary, Patrick. several members of the family immigrated to Victoria Australia - Ellen senior and junior, Richard and William. Any help is greatly appreciated

Tara Judy

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Hi Tara Judy, I cannot see any Bagnall people in County Tipperary in any early records. (Tax Rent and land information)

Do you know what year they arrived in Australia?

Margot Secrette

I just noticed you have entered another posting............

Hi I am after any information regarding James Keating who married Mary Ryan in 1806. they had at least one child, a daughter, Ellen who immigrated to Victoria Australia. She married a William Bagnall.

Now is is Keating or Bagnall who went to Australia?

There is one Ellen Keating that stands out.........went to Australia in 1857 aged 22 arrived in Geelong.

Let me know if this is correct and when did she marry?

Thanks

Margot Secrette

Hi Margot I have just seen your reply, so sorry it has taken me a while to respond. 

Yes it is an Ellen Bagnall who travelled to Australia, she arrived in Port Phillip Bay (now Melbourne) on board the ‘Lady Kennaway’ ship on 25th February 1850. She was accompanied by her brother, William and his wife, Ally Coman. Their parents were William and Ellen (née Keating) Bagnall. At some stage after 1850, more of this family also arrived in Australia - the mother, Ellen (née Keating); brothers - John and Richard, and sister, Mary. There were also other members of the family that to our knowledge did not travel to Australia but stayed in Ireland - these are - Patrick, Michael and James. The father, William, also did not come out to Australia. Ellen Bagnall Senior’s parents were James and Mary (née Ryan) Keating. This family came from the Cashel area of Tipperary.

The second posting I have sent in is about a totally different family -however the names do cross over, this family of John and Mary (née O’Neill) Keating travelled to Australia with their family of 6 children on board the ‘Maitland’ ship arriving in Port Phillip on 8th January 1850. The children that accompanied John and Mary were - Michael, Julia, William, John, Ellen and Johanna. Another sister, Mary remained in Ireland, marrying William Hickey, before also travelling to Australia. John Keating senior’s parents were Michael and Mary (née Leary) Keating. Mary O’Neill’s parents are William and Mary (née Frahes) O’Neill. This family all came from the Galbally area of Tipperary.

Sorry, all very confusing.

Judy

Tara Judy

Ally or Alice Bagnall on the ship record says they were from Cashel as you say.  In the 1850's  I use Griffiths Valuation.  I see a John Coman in Deansgrove, Cashel

The Parish is St Patricksrock.

the map

Deansgrove Townland, Co. Tipperary

I have attached the record from GV.

I cannot find the marriage of William and Ally.

Is this your Richard and Robert?  see below.............................I will be out today back Saturday let me know if this all fits your family.   

Thanks Margot    

KEATING	Richard		1862	22	Cashel	xx	Paid for by Robert Keating	who actually paid for 'Michael'.	Ship =	Annie Wilson
KEATING	Robert		1858	25	Cashel	Michael / Margaret - Father dead ,	Mother in Cashel	Sis = Margaret K.,Parramatta Rd	Ship =	Switzerland

 

Margot Secrette
KEATING	Richard		1862	22	Cashel	xx	Paid for by Robert Keating	who actually paid for 'Michael'.	Ship =	Annie Wilson
KEATING	Robert		1858	25	Cashel	Michael / Margaret - Father dead ,	Mother in Cashel	Sis = Margaret K.,Parramatta Rd	Ship =	Switzerland

Margot Secrette

try again   

KEATING	Robert		1858	25	Cashel	Michael / Margaret - Father dead ,	Mother in Cashel	Sis = Margaret K.,Parramatta Rd	Ship =	Switzerland

Margot Secrette

Hi Margot. I have just looked up Ally Coman’s parents and they were Edward Coman and Bridget Flanagan. Ally was born in Cashel about 1824. I don’t believe that any of these Keating’s are the family that I am looking for. James KEATING married a Mary RYAN in Tipperary. One of their children was Ellen KEATING who was born around 1798, she married William BAGNALL around 1817. They had at least 8 children between 1820 and 1844. Thanks. Judy

Tara Judy

When I looked for Ellen Bagnall I see her death in Australia with her Parents names.    

Highlighted in blue are her parents names and if you had clicked on James it would take you to their marriage in 1806 18th February.

The Church record is from New Inn and Knockgraffon  this is south...... well in the next parish to Cashel.  

New Inn and Knockgraffon, Cashel and Emly - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI

You would have to look through the above Parish or Cashel.  After 1864 Cashel was the registration district for Civil records.

Have you tried your TROVE site. They have every entry to Australia. Usually the names are on the right hand page and more detail when you turn the page.

I can't get into that site. Long story!

I was going to attach the page but it is too big.

So go to this link below and find County Tipperary then New Inn and Knockgraffon choose marriages and the year and the month. Ok sorry about that.

Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI

Margot Secrette

Many thanks Margot for your assistance. We hope to be able to visit the Bagnall/Keating homeland area when we come to Ireland in September. You have given us the closest area yet for us to explore. Appreciate your help. Judy

Tara Judy

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