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Annie McKenzie

I am hit a brick wall, Annie McKenzie born 5 Oct 1885 Londonderry to parents Cameron McKenzie & Cassie McGuigan, sister to Kenneth & Margaret.     Annie then moved to Scotland and married Edward Clannachan in Barrhead Scotland in 1906.     Edward is a soldier in army an on the 1911 census he is based in South Africa and confirms still married, however I can find no trace of Annie, I have check death & census records for both Scotland and Ireland and I cannot find anything, I also tried to see if any children born but again coming back with nothing, I have hit a complete brick wall, any help on this would be greatly appreciated,

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Annie in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Waterside/Bonds_Place/1539662/

Cameron’s death in 1901 which was perhaps the trigger for her move to Scotland:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05719/4613656.pdf

Looking at the 1911 Scottish census, I see an Ann Clanaghan aged 23 in Barrhead census district. She looks promising. GROS ref: 572/211/16. She appears to have been the only Clanaghan at that address (from the indexes) but you’ll need to view the document to be sure. But if that is the correct lady, it suggests she had no children. I don’t see her in the 1921 Scottish census. There was no census in Ireland in 1921 so can’t say if she was there.

There are trees on Ancestry that show Annie dying in Belfast in 1918, but I cannot see a death certificate that matches that.

I see her husband died in 1914 in Flanders or France according to the GROS death indexes. Have you searched for a will for him. (Soldiers were required to write one).

I see a marriage in Blythswood, Glasgow in 1936 between an Annie Clanaghan and a Charles Mullen. GROS ref: 644/8/786. Might be worth a look.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Elwyn, thank you for taking the time to search for me, on the soldier's will info, he seems to leave his effects to his mother, which would have been in 1918 when he died.    As you said no trace of any death certificates for Annie so very difficult to establish if she did die back in Ireland or Scotland in 1918.   I also checked the marriage certificate to James Mullen unfortunately not her.

I couldn't find her on the Scotland's people census search, can I ask if its this site you use of another.

The 1911 census info you have provided is great as at least I know she would have still been in Barrhead at this time.

Thanks again:)

lynsey.ferguso…

I have attached the 1911 census. It came from Scotlandspeople. Ann was a laundry maid and was lodging at 49 Kelburn St, Barrhead (evidently a tenement judging by the census). The census shows her to be born in Ireland and 23. However it also shows her to be single, so unless a mistake was made, it might not be the right lady. Funny that she’s in Barrhead though. It’s a very unusual surname and to my mind it would be a bit of a coincidence if it were not your Annie. I think it probably is your lady. Everything else fits.

I don’t see a death for her in Scotland.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

The index to Irish Civil Registrations of Deaths has the following death for an Annie McKenzie in 1918.  However, I can't guarantee it is your Annie, as her surname would probably have been Clannachan.

Another idea, if this is not your Annie: It is possible Annie remarried after her husband's 1914 death, which is why you haven't found her.

Name Annie McKenzie
Estimated Birth Year abt 1886
Date of Registration 1918 Apr-May-Jun
Death Age 32
Registration district Belfast
Volume 1
Page 297
FHL Film Number 0101605
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Anne's birth record

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Margaret's birth record

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Kenneth's birth record

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Eva's birth record

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Catherine's birth record

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Matilde's birth record

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Jessie's birth record

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Marriage of Cameron and Cassie 1877

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Death of Cameron 1907 ( note he is a widower) and also Annie is present at his death.

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Sorry , date of Cameron's death is 1901. His wife Cassie/Catherine died the previous year. ( Address Bond's place /Bond's field as shown on Margaret's birth cert)

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Death of Matilde 18 years.  

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Death of Jessie 16 years . (This family have really suffered)

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Death of Eva 9 years

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Death of a Georgina McKenzie 14 years, address is  Bonds place  and mother is Kate McKenzie

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I checked above and it appears Georgina is actually Catherine Georgina as above. What tragedy this family endured.

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I can’t find any trace of the 1918 Annie McKenzie death that Patricia has found, but I did find this one in 1913 which is suspiciously like it, in that her age (32) and death quarter all match. I wonder if there has been a transcription error over her year of death ie 1918 instead of 1913?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05337/4486150.pdf

That lady is buried in Dundonald graveyard, along with various other McKenzies. Her last address was 20 Montrose St, Belfast. Here’s that family in 1911. She was single, born in Co Down, to Fielding McKenzie, not Cameron, and seems unlikely to be  the woman who married Edward.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Montrose_Street/222348/

I did search Scottish records 1914 onwards for Annie Clannachan’s possible remarriage in Scotland and the 1936 event I found is the only one I could see. You would need to pay to view it to find out if it’s the right one.  I also searched for deaths using the surnames Clannachan/Clanaghan & McKenzie (Scottish deaths are indexed under married women’s previous surnames making them quite easy to find) but did not find her. Whether or not she remarried, I don’t think she died in Scotland.

Annie’s brother Kenneth MacKenzie is the only one of her siblings to have survived to adulthood. He died on 27.1.1969 in Derry, aged 77. He seems likely to have left a will which should be in PRONI in paper format. Might be worth checking it to see if there’s any mention of his sister (if she were still alive).

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you very much Eileen & Elwyn for taking the time to help in this search.   I did note the other death record of Annie McKenzie in Ireland, however it was witnessed by a brother Thomas which I don't believe she had, making me think wrong Annie.    I paid for the marriage entry on the Scottish site and again, wrong Annie as her parents names were different.  This lady has been very difficult in finding if she did go on to marry or came home to Ireland and re-married or whether like her sisters had a very early death.

lynsey.ferguso…

From 1901 Irish census...

Residents of a house 11 in Bonds Place (Waterside, Londonderry)

 

SurnameForenameAgeSexRelation to headReligionBirthplaceOccupationLiteracyIrish LanguageMarital StatusSpecified Illnesses

Mc KenzieCameron 45MaleHead of FamilyPresbyterianDerryPainter and GlacierRead andwriteEnglsihWidower-

Mc KenzieAnnie15FemaleDaughterPresbyterianDerryPaster FactoryRead and writeEnglsihNot Married-

Mc KenzieMaggie10FemaleDaughterPresbyterianDerryScholarReadEnglsihNot Married-

Mc KenzieKenneth 9MaleSonPresbyterianDerryScholarNilEnglsihNot Married-

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Thank you Patricia, looks like she moved to Scotland when her dad died and married soldier Edward Clannachan circa 1906.   She appears in Scotland on the 1911 census then afterwards, disappears from anywhere that I have searched.     Total brick wall.

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