Andrew McLoughlin Murdered in Noggusboy 1849

Interesting, although tragic story. I'm trying to figure out if it could any of my ancestors too. One was a McLoughlin from Ferbane who emmigrated about 1830. No Andrews in my known family, but I do have James. We are possibly related AnnT.

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Very interesting, as James McLoughlin would be my ggg grandfather.  

My James McLoughlin, born 1798 in Offaly, married Julia Cash 28 July 1826 in Banagher.  They had twins Mary and Catherine in Ferbane, and sons Andrew, John, and James in Rahan.  (births 1828-1838).

I can't explain this, but what appears to be this same couple also has children Bridgid (1840), Ann (1842), Julia (1844), and Joseph (1845) in Banagher.  I can find no further records for these children in Ireland (and of course we are going into the worst of the Famine years).  And if my James and Julia are in fact their parents, they did not emigrate with them.

Around 1851 James & Julia and children Mary, Catherine, John, and James emigrated to America (Worcseter, Massachusetts).  

I follow the line of their son John who married Kate O'Brien (of Termonfeckin, Louth) in Leicester, Massachusetts.  

Does any of this work out for you?  ~  Ann

AnnT:

     Hi, I'm Jack. Here's what I have regarding my gg grandfather James McLoughlin. Born 1808 (age 72 according to his death certificate in NY), immigrated to Canda in 1831. Married a Margaret Chapman there (according to RC church records in French). He ended up in NY City, with 5 kids, all born in NY. His wife Margaret died sometime after 1848. I have a record of a bank account from Emigrant Savings Bank in NYC, saying he arrived in Canada in 1831, and lists his son's names as a "proof" question. James, Peter and John (my g grandfather). He also states that he was a resident of Ferbane, Kings County in Ireland.

     In those early years of the 1850s, upper Manhattan Island (NY City) was sparsely settled, and there were mostly small farms, or large country estates of the big shots downtown.  I have my family there in 1855, but also there 2 other families in very close proximity named McLoughlin. They had to have known each other or were related. One family was led by an Andrew McLaughlin (with a "A"), and another was headed by a 15 year old girl. It's possible the parents were working on estates in the area (as servants or gardeners) and counted under that . They were practically next door to my family.

     I'm interested to know how you tracked down your ancestors, as I have just about hit a stone wall regarding records in Ireland. I even tried an organisation in Offaly, but they stated the records don't go back that far. I have an account on Ancestry and did the DNA test, if you have one too look for "gsma1". Thanks and good luck. Hope to hear from you again.

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Hi Jack,

I would say we are connected somehow.  Our James McLoughlins were both born in the same generation, in Ferbane area.  Say a man named James McL had five sons.  Each of those sons would have very likely named their first son James, following naming traditions.  So our James McLoughlins were likely cousins.

As far as spelling - my family used McLaughlin.  I used the spelling from the newspaper article in my post.  And in looking through old parish records, there was one priest who spelled it Maglafflin!  Most people weren't literate, things were written down phonetically, and no one was going to correct the priest or other official!

 

As far as research, I knew my gg grandfather was John McLaughlin who married Kate O'Brien in Worcester, MA.  I found him on censuses in America with parents and siblings, so built out my tree to include all of them.  Then I found arrival records in Massachusetts.  I think I got the Rahan, Kings County from a Naturalization record.  On rootsireland (pay site) I found baptisms for John and his siblings (with many variations of mother Julia Cash's name).  But those records put them in the Rahan area.  Then I found the marriage of James McLaughlin & Julia Cash in the parish records on the Catholic parish website.  (https://registers.nli.ie/)    And I got their parents' names from their death records.

I am on a lot of Facebook genealogy pages and recently had someone post that article about Andrew being murdered.  It all fit!  It is very difficult to find records in Ireland much before early 1800s.  Civil records didn't start until 1864.  Catholic religion was technically outlawed into the early 1800s, but by late 1790s many parishes were keeping records.  There are some gaps, especially during Famine years.  But many simply don't exist.  The first complete census was 1901.  There's a partial in 1821, but not helpful in Offaly.  It's a matter of luck sometimes.  Just when I thought I'd never find out more about my McLaughlins, along came that article.

 

I have done DNA at both Ancestry and Family Tree.  (I don't see a match on Ancestry, but I find it hard to use.)  If you are looking for DNA matches, be sure to upload (free) to Gedmatch.  They give you a kit number and that's what is used in all genealogy groups for comparison.  If you'd like to email me I'm at:  irishgenealogyquest@gmail.com

 

(The McLaughlins are only one of 27 surnames over 12 counties that I am researching, so believe me, know the frustration!)

Other thoughts - that route to Canada was popular - less expensive.  I had one come to New Brunswick area, then through Passamaquoddy, Maine.  It seems like yours were in Canada for awhile though - which is great, because French Canadian records are excellent.

 

(I mentioned I'm searching 27 surnames - all of which are my family.  Didn't want it to sound like I was doing professional research!)