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Allender, John and John Kirkwood Allander - Harlan/Harlan

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1.John Allender, b. 1725 - All I know is Ireland Would have imigrated to USA beofre 1747

2. His Son Willaim Allender was born in Maryand USA - b. dates of 1747

3. Grandson John Kirkwood Allander b. 1809 Chester County, Pennsylvania USA d. 1873 Duncannon, Perry County, Pennsyvania  m. abt 1832 York County, Pennsylvania Deborah Jane Harlan b.1811 Lancaster County, Pennsylvania d.1849 Duncannon, Perry County PA.

Deborah Harlan's line traces to Ezekiel Harland, b. 16 June 1679 Parrish of Donnahong,  County of Down, Ulster, Ireland.- William Harland b. 1702 Chester County, Pennsylavania d; 1783 Chester County, PA

Johnathon Harland SR b. 1726 d bef 1774

William Harland b. Abt 1747 d. 1875

 

buffalomountai…

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Ed,

You mention that Deborah Harland was descended from Ezekiel born in 1679 in the parish of “Donnahong”. There isn’t a parish of that name in Co. Down. There are 3 that start with “Don”. Donaghadee, Donaghcloney & Donaghmore. So those might be his likely place of origin.  Having said that, his family probably isn’t of Irish origin anyway. MacLysaght’s “The Surnames of Ireland” states that Harland “appears in the 1664 hearth money records of Co. Armagh and has since been continuously in that county and adjacent areas. It is an English toponymic (Yorkshire & Devon).” MacLysaght thinks that the Harlands came from Yorkshire or Devon, some time in the 1600s. The Harland family had therefore probably only been in Ireland for a short period before departing onwards for the US. (That wasn't uncommon for incomers from England, Scotland & Wales).

I can’t find any authoritative source on the Allender name (though I sense it may be Scottish). It is not a native Irish name. MacLysaght doesn't list it  However the vast majority of migrants from Ireland to north America in the 1700s were descendants of Scots, English and Welsh settlers to Ireland who arrived there in the 1600s, decided it didn't suit them for a variety of economic and political reasons and so moved on again. In contrast, native Irish (if that’s the correct term) didn’t start leaving in significant numbers till the 1800s. So Allenders leaving in the 1700s fits with that background.

Kirkwood is also a very Scottish name. So that, and the timeline, makes me think the Allenders were a Presbyterian family originally from Scotland.

The majority of emigrants from Ireland to North America in the 1700s were Presbyterians (of Scottish origins). Migration started in earnest in 1718. Background here:  https://www.ancestryireland.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/The_1718_Migration.pdf

There are almost no records in Ireland of folk from the 1600s or 1700s and the chances of finding any of your families are not high.  (None of the parishes in Down that the Harlands may have lived in have any records for that period).

Going backwords, most Irish research comes to a stop around 1800 and if your ancestors left before that, it is very difficult indeed, unless they were very wealthy or notorious. Few records exist.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn- Thank you for all the informatio. There is a definate Presbyterian background to the Allander clan.

All the Harlan information came from a book written by Adphues Harlin in 1914. Its online and the Harlin following if very large. www.harlinfamily.org

I could beieve Irish or Scottish. From 1820's till 1919 the local Allandar clan worked in the iron industry, in Duncannon PA there was a lare Iron works, pudling mill, nail factory here that 4 generations of the famly worked in. I have no idea if any previous generation ahd worked in the iron industry or not.

I doublt there was any wealth. Notorious maybe :)

I guess I've hit another roadbock but ceetainly appreciate your incite. Thnks again! Ed 

 

buffalomountai…

Hi Ed - 

I was very interested to find your posting today. I've been researching the Allenders that settled in Pennsylvania, trying to sort everyone out. There were several Allender families that immigrated to Pennsylvania from Ireland and at least some, if not all, were Presbyterian. I'm descended from William Allender (~1755-1851). For your ancestor William Allender I have a birth year of 1766 and he died in 1847 as recorded in the McClellandtown Presbyterian Church records (Pennsylvania). Both Williams were living in Franklin Co., Pennsylvania at the time of the 1800 census. At least I know my William was there and I think it was your William that was the other one.

There's a family tradition that my Allender ancestors arrived in 1753 and the immigrant ancestor was John Dunn Allender. I'm pretty sure there are Scots-Irish (family tradition) and Presbyterian (William buried next to the remains of a Presbyterian church in Noble Co., Ohio. 

What is the source for John Allender b. 1725 and immigrating before 1747?

Have you done a DNA test? I'm curious if we match. I'm on ancestry.com and gedmatch.com.

Your potential cousin,

June Liesch Ristow

June Ristow

 Hello June- Sorry I dropped off and haven't responded. Ran into some health issues and have been away from my genealogy research for some time, I'm now finally back at it. I certainly appreciate the feedback and apologize for the lack of response on my end. There definitely seems to be a link to William however there are many broken links and it is difficult to piece things together. I'm going to include some notes from another cousin for you to review. The family was most certainly involved in the iron industry there are several men that worked as forgemen or puddlers in the iron industry. John Kirkwood Allandar (many spellings of Allandar) was born in Chester County PA (south east corner of Pennsylvania near Philadelphia) in 1809, he then moved west to York and Lancaster County, Had a son Ellis born in Wrightsville, York County Pennsylvania and finally settled into Duncannon, Perry County Pennsylvania where most of his descendants still reside. Never did the DNA test thing. I must dig the sourcing up for the immigrating information. I'll be back to you but just wanted to reply after all this time. Regard, Ed

 

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